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xolent
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HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Tue, 16 August 2005 14:37 Go to next message
I'm having trouble drawing FBD's of reactions at pins that connects to a wall and a member,
how do you go on about selecting whhich direction the force is actually going?

here's an example

http://members.optusnet.com.au/john13187/blah.jpg

Sometimes I get confused when I look at one example in the text book and A_x and A_y are both point at the pin, and sometimes A_x and A_y are not (pointing in another direction)

Is there some sort of secret?

I believe member BC is a two force member... wish I didn't draw that

[Updated on: Tue, 16 August 2005 14:37]

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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Tue, 16 August 2005 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fakr it's been a while..

iirc, you look at each joint individually starting from the easiest Wink

hmmm ok.. i kinda think like it's a big floppy system that you have to make solid by putting forces in...

talking vertical forces first..
BC has to provide the "up" force to hold up the load at C...

at A, the vertical load points down to counter the force at C and load.. (as tho it's pivoting around C)

now.. at B, you have to provide the vertical force for point C, but it is at an angle, so the member is pushing into the wall, but at C, BC is trying to push the top member away from the wall..

and so A also has a horizontal component pulling ALoad back toward the wall..

is this making any sense?

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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Tue, 16 August 2005 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so say --> is the positive direction,

you're saying the reaction force on member AB, at A, A_x is going this way <--- (negative)?
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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Tue, 16 August 2005 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi there,

I cant see the pic unfortunately as my work server blocks almost everything...


Static problems are really simple when you just set a direction to be positive (eg up for y and right for x) and then just assign all forces a +/- symbol depending on which direction they are going, leave any unknown forces directionless. Do this for each member (ie make a FBD for each rigid part )

Then you have 3 equations, 1. sum in x direction = 0
2. sum in y direction = 0
3. sum of moments = 0


you will then know what direction your unknowns are going by solving these and looking at their sign.

This is generic but will work everytime Wink
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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Tue, 16 August 2005 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If you release A and make C a pin, A will obvioulsy rotate clockwise. So just to iterate oldrollas comments the reactions at A will be down and to the left.

Don't confuse yourself with whether or not the arrows are pointing at the pin cause you could place a force arrow upwards on either side of the pin, hence 1 would be pointing at the pin and the other wouldn't but the force is still in the same direction.
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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Thu, 18 August 2005 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
as my civil lecturer used to say:

"you must cokulate the forces numbah of johns, or you will go to jail and things like that." hahah, oh billy wong...

soz, doesn't really help you!

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Re: HELP! Question on forces (Mechanical eng. problem!) Thu, 18 August 2005 06:31 Go to previous message
Reminds me why I choose Computer Engineering 1 + 1 = 10 seems simple in comparison!!!

It also means that an 'oops' almost never results in anyone dying. Smile
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