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MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 09:30
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Hi first time post here,
I've been looking at the forums for a while now and have a few questions.
First of all I will be getting my P's in a few months and because I live in NSW I cannot drive turbo cars. So I was wondering whether there is a n/a MZ21? and whether this has enough power for drift?
I was also wanting to know what a good genuine price would be for a clean standard MZ21?
I'm also interested in a Sprinter, but pricing is much to high for what it is worth, in my opinion.
Also are there any Australian Soarer specific forums?
Thanks.. 
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 09:58
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yes there is a MZ20 NA soarer, but i am unsure if there is a MZ20. Actually its a GZ20 (GZ's are better anyway  ) with a NA 2L 6 cyc in it. i had the motor in my Z10 and it had no torque then so i have doubt as to its ability to drift in a z20, but anything is possible, also the NA will most prob come with an open diff not a LSD. will probably cost about 4-5G
soarer forums are at http://soarercentral.com/cgi-bin/sc-forum/discus.c gi but are really biased towards Z30's and after a bit of talking we managed to get a Z10/20 section put up but for most of the oldschool action here is the best place i have found
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I supported Toymods
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 10:28
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nah soarers cant drift
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 10:51
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what model soarer is that in the pic?
do you think a stock soarer non turbo with some suspension work would be able to drift?
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 10:58
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matts is a GZ20 (JZ20?? lol ) and yes, soars drift quite well with some basic mods... but i reckon a MZ10 is the way to go since its lighter
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 11:18
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Learn to drive in straight line first.
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 12:11
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I dont think there ever was an NA *z20 soarer, they were either 1g-gte's or 7m-gte's. gz20 and mz20 being the difference in engine, and the 1 on the end instead of the 0 eg. mz21 was the luxury model, so more options and more weight, not what u'd want for drift.
Also if u wanted to still get one u'd really want a manual for drift, unfortunatly most were auto's from factory 95% of all produced  so u'll have trouble finding a manual one, thats been unmodified and still in good condidtion.
Your best bet is to grab urself and old RWD corolla, reliable, cheap, legal on P's and u can start modding that. That should allow you to save more $$ and then invest in a nice soarer by the time ur off your P's. + the skill in driving u will gain over the time of your p's in essentail to handeling a drifter. Not all fun and games when 1 mistake can mean your life or the life of your car.
in all seriousness dude, grab a RWD corolla (ae71's are a nice choice) and learn and have fun in it. the soarers will still be around when u get off your p's.
Chris
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 12:19
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Yes this shape soarer came out with the 1GEU and the 1GGEU both 2Litre engines in non-turbo form.
I have seen a few 1GGEU powered GZ20 soarers for sale on this forum over the years.
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 12:21
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My friend has a GZ20 with a 1G-GEU NA model in SA. It came in it stock, but i have heard its a slug. He is wanting to sell it from memory if your interested. as finding an NA one will be rare. As will be a Z10 i am fairly sure.
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 12:24
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good luck trying to drift an auto 1G non turbo... , the twin turbo version is hard enough haha
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 13:35
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 20:28 |
... but i reckon a MZ10 is the way to go since its lighter
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Shame no one is building a super track-only JZZ10...
Oh and BTW That Matt's GZ20 drifting is massively photoshopped, he's actually polugh-understeering through a kindergarten playground at recess.
Quite well done really. almost looks believable.
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 13:43
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yer its a JZZ20
simon the MZ10 is good but the suspension and chassis setup is fucken gay
im quite happy to try and remove some of the tubbiness out of the JZZ20
dear rex kelway
youre correct
it is a photoshop, I was infact going through the kiddies playground, its a damn fine shame they removed the part where you were masterbating in the bushes...
such a shame
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 13:51
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Touche'
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 23:22
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Yeah agreed soarers are hard enough to drift with all that weight, and all of this talk of it being NA will not help either. I would also go the old RWD corolla setup if it were me. but it is possible...
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Sun, 28 August 2005 23:55
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 21:43 |
simon the MZ10 is good but the suspension and chassis setup is fucken gay
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Simple, yes. Crude, quite possibly. Somewhat effective with decent suspension, indeed. Not having all that weight to lug around, BEFORE you start stripping it...priceless
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 00:39
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 09:25 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 21:43 |
simon the MZ10 is good but the suspension and chassis setup is fucken gay
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Simple, yes. Crude, quite possibly. Somewhat effective with decent suspension, indeed. Not having all that weight to lug around, BEFORE you start stripping it...priceless
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I still know what I would prefer 
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 00:50
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 08:39 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 09:25 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 21:43 |
simon the MZ10 is good but the suspension and chassis setup is fucken gay
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Simple, yes. Crude, quite possibly. Somewhat effective with decent suspension, indeed. Not having all that weight to lug around, BEFORE you start stripping it...priceless
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I still know what I would prefer
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Haha, me too. Neither 
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 00:56
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 01:02
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Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for Soarers, but I don't like the general tubbiness of the Z2 and the Z1 is...just a little bit...you know
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 01:03
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well my aim is to get the JZZ20 down to around 1150 kg
i think FPR doors are an option
as is plexan windows
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 01:04
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 09:03 |
well my aim is to get the JZZ20 down to around 1150 kg
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So a smidge less than a totally stock Z1 Soarer
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 01:06
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 10:34 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 09:03 |
well my aim is to get the JZZ20 down to around 1150 kg
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So a smidge less than a totally stock Z1 Soarer
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but with a far superior suspension setup and chassis...
and 340odd rwkw...
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 08:31
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 11:06 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 10:34 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 09:03 |
well my aim is to get the JZZ20 down to around 1150 kg
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So a smidge less than a totally stock Z1 Soarer
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but with a far superior suspension setup and chassis...
and 340odd rwkw...
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You will need to uber strip the car tell you what, the interior really isnt that heavy, rear seat <10kg. Front electronic seat will be the most weight reduction but neglibile difference between the leather and cloth, everyone says the leather weighs more......i dont think so!
it would be a real stuggle to get a z2 down anywhere near 1150kg id think unless its track use only, but im pretty sure thats what you want anyway.
| MR 1JZ wrote on Mon, 29 August 2005 11:06 |
but with a far superior suspension setup and chassis...
and 340odd rwkw...
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Check and oh check
[Updated on: Mon, 29 August 2005 08:33]
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Mon, 29 August 2005 09:27
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you said it dong boy
track only 
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Tue, 18 October 2005 07:19
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| Rex_Kelway wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 23:35 |
| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sun, 28 August 2005 20:28 |
... but i reckon a MZ10 is the way to go since its lighter
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Shame no one is building a super track-only JZZ10...
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give me a few weeks and i'll be starting mine.
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Re: MZ21 Drift...
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Thu, 20 October 2005 08:13
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There is a 1G-GE powered GZ-20 here in Newcastle. It got imported ages ago and has just sat around unregistered. It's a factory 5 speed so it will have a close ratio W57 and LSD. Its a neat car, totally stock. I would buy it just to have 2 factory 5 speed GZ-20's if I shaved off a few more brain cells and didn't already have too many cars.
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