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Adelaide
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Re: turboing TA22
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Fri, 02 September 2005 08:52
 
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Buy a 3T-GTE
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Adelaide
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May 2004
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Re: turboing TA22
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Fri, 02 September 2005 10:07
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Don't let anyone tell you this can't be done ! If you want to throw good money after bad then go for it ! The custom manifold will cost upwards of $500 bucks then you will need to get a carby ( webber ) to go on the front of the turbo, I have seen some great times run in cars with a similar set up, unfortunately they only last one or two runs as you just can't tune them right ! Spend the dosh and get a 3TG or even a 4AGE and turbo that, don't waste the cash it's too hard to come by !
Good Luck with whatever you decide !
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22
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Fri, 02 September 2005 12:17
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dont really want to get a better engine cos it is only a really a paddock bomb. looks like i will just have to keep trying different things and see what works. going to be making all the stuff also to keep the cost down.
just for interest sake what will a better engine cost to get and set up.
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22
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Sat, 03 September 2005 05:51
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bump
help and info needed
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NSW
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July 2005
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Re: turboing TA22
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Sun, 04 September 2005 01:15
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Your going to need a custom exhaust manifold, make a cross over pipe, you can use either a webber carb or a single SU. The pipe runs from the inlet manifold, across the top of the engine to the turbo, the carbi runs before the turbo. They can run pretty bloody hard, but as mentioned, are a prick to tune, and the life of the whole engine will not last to long, if you bash the crap out of it. If it's your first ever turbo, don't forget to let it cool down after giving it a hard time.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22
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Sun, 04 September 2005 10:07
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a turbo from a 3 litre diesel is going to need a lot of air flow to get reasonabel boost and then the boost curve is going to be rather flat.
anyway ... turbo+custom-manifolds+boost-capable-carbi implies you'll waste a shitload of cash. There is no cheap option when turbo-ing a NA engine.
A simpler setup is draw thru: carbi ->turbo -> intake manifold. However you can't run an intercooler with this (safely) and you'll have serious issues controlling heat in the intake side of things. You will need a serious carbi to flow enough fuel/air on boost, otherwise you will run lean and motor will grdade shortly afterwards.
if you're foolish enough to be still considering this, get a large webber carbi, make the custom exhaust manifold then make a pipe that goes from the compressor outlet to where the factory carbi was.
You'll also have to work out how to get high-pressure oil to the turbo (and coolant if it also has water jacket in the core).
You'll also have to work out better ignition and timing cause the stock setup will need a vacuum signal from between carbi & turbo and will in stock configuration produce way too much advance when making power.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Sun, 04 September 2005 23:44
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hear is some pics of the car, engine bay, wear i want the turbo to be and the making of the exhaust flange.
Its a TA22, 5 speed with a 3T in it. it lowed with targo front springs and cut standed rear springs with targo rear shocks. the rims were of a datsun and have been offset a lot, with 215/60/13 on the front and 215/65/13 on the back.
Turbo spot.
I was going to use the origanal flange until i found out that i couldnt weld steam pipe to cast-iron. so i started to make my own from a peace of flat plate and using the origanal as a template.
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 04 September 2005 23:52
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i dont mean to put a spanner in the works but it seems to me that there are other parts of this car that require attention before fitting the hair dryer 
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NSW
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July 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 05 September 2005 05:30
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If your talking about the bodywork, it's only a paddock basher.
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 05 September 2005 05:34
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| Rob.C wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 15:30 |
If your talking about the bodywork, it's only a paddock basher.
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im talking about the whole car 
but i understand now
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 05 September 2005 09:41
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with the right rods and heating up the cast iron you can weld steel to it.
some guy on performance forums turbo'd his diesel truck motor by by doing this "I heated the whole lot and I am letting it cool slowly now. Used weldall rods from BOC."
from:
<http://pforums.company-hosting.com/forums/showthre ad.php?t=67188648>
(registration might be required)
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Location:
northern beaches
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August 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 05 September 2005 10:54
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if you have access to a tig welder you can buy filler rods suitable for welding cast iron, no pre-heating required.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 05 September 2005 11:02
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yeah i knew the it could be done but it will work out easier to make a new one.
the progress of the turboing may be slowed a little now because me and my mates are starting to make two VW dune buggys. 
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Location:
Newcastle, Australia
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August 2005
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 06 September 2005 12:24
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thanks for the help.with the dizzy and stuff i just remembered that dads got so magnetos lieing around do you think they will work. And the VW idea, i will see if it fits.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 07 September 2005 22:12
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bump
will a magneto help with the ignition.
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Location:
Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 08 September 2005 00:17
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Ur other option is a Jpipe
Stock cast manifold -> J pipe -> Turbo
Jpipe consists of suitable diameter pipe with flange to suit the exhaust manifold outlet, a 180degrees mandrel bend comming back up with the turbo mounted on top of that 
I may be turboing a 4ac in this way eventually
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 08 September 2005 04:28
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yeah i know what you mean. made one for a datsun 1200 just the other day. ill get the pics soon.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 10 September 2005 15:25
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Love the, er, inlet plenum
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 10 September 2005 22:39
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isent it great, NOT, as you can exspect the turbo did nothing till around 6000rpm. we couldnt be bothered making anything so we uesed the air box.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 02:05
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Duct tape also makes a great flex joint - has incredible resistance to oil, heat, pressure, water, bullants and His Noodly Appendage.
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Victoria
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May 2002
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 08:40
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The motor was only run how you see it 'free reving the motor'.
will it make a differents if it was in a car and under load.
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Location:
Forster NSW
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September 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 09:15
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Yes
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 09:29
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so does it make alot of a differents.
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Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 09:38
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main difference is, it will make boost
boosted motors dont make much/any free reving, they need to be loaded up to produce boost
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 11 September 2005 10:39
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so that would explain why it only just blow my hand back a little bit  so now i will have to drive it with my hand there
will be posting the pics soon just having troble with the computer  dam computers there good when there working but shit when there not. like most things i geuss
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 01:12
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SORRY ABOUT THE PICS WILL FIX TONIGHT
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On Probation
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nsw
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March 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 01:47
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Good work man your a do-er thats for sure
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Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 06:10
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champion fab work, even in all its squareness should flow plenty enough for large amounts of boost
more than the stock 3T will ever handle
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Location:
Melbourne
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January 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 06:13
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Shit hot fun there , we want videos soon . Host then at www.zippyvideos.com . 10 meg files for free .
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 06:35
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that's a might impressive effort for a ghetto zorst manifold!
with all that weight hanging off the flange, i'd suggest a strut between the bottom of the (square) log and the engine mount - so the manifold+turbo doesn't all bend/sag when you overboost the crap out of that poor, unsuspecting engine.
it will also help keep it all together when you hit the underbody zorst pipes on hidden stumps and rocks that you'll undoubtedly find in the paddock.
cheap turbo gaskets: flat & thin tin cut to shape of flange, thin coasting of zorst putty each side of tin then evenly bolt up - will harden on first application of heat (will stink for a few minutes).
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 06:46
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What a classic case of bush mechanics! Great work, its inspired me to do the same!
Im very interested as i have a 3T which is beggin for the same upgrade! Drop me an e-mail if your willing to step-by-step it our for me as i have no idea how to install a turbo!
ONCE AGAIN A GREAT EFFORT AND LOOKS BETTER THAN A BOUGHT ONE!!! HAHAHA
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 06:48
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What a great example of bush mechanics! Great work, its inspired me to do the same!
Im very interested as i have a 3T which is beggin for the same upgrade! Drop me an e-mail if your willing to step-by-step it our for me as i have no idea how to install a turbo!
ONCE AGAIN A GREAT EFFORT AND IT LOOKS BETTER THAN A BOUGHT ONE!!! HAHAHA
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Location:
Newcastle, Australia
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 12 September 2005 08:41
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Hurricane, those carbies in that picture, their SU-H6's, thats what you need stuck to the front of your turbo. Whats the throat diameter on those things?
On that note, blowing boost through your stock carbie isn't going to work. The whole concept of a carb is the pressure in the throat is lower than the outside atmosphere. Thats how the venturi vaporises fuel. Blowing boost into it has the opposite effect of pushing fuel back down the lines.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 12:54
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Top marks for the fabrication involved - I'm not quite sure how to classify it! I've seen (been involved in?) a LOT rougher, but then it's not quite to autosalon standard. Excellent effort for paddock work though. I definately agree with bracing it however.
The carb can be made to work, you'll just need to make sure that:
1. It sees pressure on both sides so fuel continues to flow
2. You set it up with some kind of pressure reg to get the fuel into it at, say, 6psi above boost pressure
3. Make sure there is nowhere fuel mix can get out (i.e. throttle shafts!) or the CFA will be onto you....
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 14:20
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| mrshin wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 22:24 |
The carb can be made to work, you'll just need to make sure that:
1. It sees pressure on both sides so fuel continues to flow
2. You set it up with some kind of pressure reg to get the fuel into it at, say, 6psi above boost pressure
3. Make sure there is nowhere fuel mix can get out (i.e. throttle shafts!) or the CFA will be onto you....
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Wouldn't encasing the whole carby inside a box achieve these results (along with some nice fuel fittings of course)?
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 14:38
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mmmm ghetto
yup, you can box the whole carb, just maks it annoying to pull apart and change jets etc...
you could go ultra bodge and find some random bolt together case, cut a coupla holes for carby in and out.. a pressure balance line between the carby inlet and the box itself... should be sweet  ... as mentioned, bodgy Ebay pressure referenced FPR is a must..
i wanna see this thing run
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 22:56
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i was just thinking of moving the battery to the other side of the car, puting a single side draught SU in front of the turbo then having a pod filter in a box were the battery was.
the box would be made so it would have some sort of scoop on the front witch would pick up the air from the far left headlight. with the head light moved out of the way.
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 23:13
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bogan-zoku spec
you have to do the 5ft high exhaust pipes too
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 23:30
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what do you mean. are you talking about the stupped one that come out the back of the car in then point up into the air. 
if thats what your talking about why do thay have them like that.
they look like they are trying to make an nother bumber to stop car from hitting them
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 13 September 2005 23:42
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| hurricane wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 09:30 |
what do you mean. are you talking about the stupped one that come out the back of the car in then point up into the air.
if thats what your talking about why do thay have them like that.
they look like they are trying to make an nother bumber to stop car from hitting them
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bogan-zoku.. a play on bosozoku.. ie "bogan tribe" anyway...
there is no point, it's a modification train of thought that has gone to extremes just for the look of it... but i still think you should do it
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 14 September 2005 10:17
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that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen
there is no way im doing that. oh by the way the TA22 is more of a unregestered car than a padock bomb. i really do look after it a lot.
so thats one other reson way i wouldnt do shit like that.
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 14 September 2005 11:39
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I saw pics of shit like that except they came up into a star shape at the end, I guess it would look cool with a flamethrower goin
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Location:
Sydney
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January 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 14 September 2005 13:34
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i cant beleive people do things like that to them selves! lol, thats jus terrile... ahahahahah
ur ta is coming along nicely to man, will be sum fun once its dun. specialy the chu chu chu shu lol
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 15 September 2005 01:06
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Hey im very intersted in how you construct the box for the carbi...im doing a similar job and am thinking about using tin for the sides and top held together with silicon and angled brackets around corners pot rivited together....the base prob double thickness tin or maybe some flat steel.
What are your plans if you dont build a box?
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 16 September 2005 12:31
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im not useing the box idea because i beleve that it is easyer to do it the other way.
The other way: i will be running a sigle SU (or simalar) carby, the size that i will be useing is unknow at this time (have to find out) in front of the turbo and running the outlet straight into the original spot where the old carby was.
just ask if you need more info.
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 16 September 2005 12:35
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ah suck thru...
just don't count on the oil seals in the turbo lasting for ages
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Location:
melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 17 September 2005 08:49
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hahaha thats great keep us informed on the progress that so awesome
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 17 September 2005 11:29
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with the seal. why will they not last all that long and what can i do to help with this.
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Location:
geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 18 September 2005 10:29
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need help with the above 
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 18 September 2005 11:27
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regarding suck-thru carbi... do something like this:
to minimise damage to the turbo seal - you want to avoid:
-long periods of engine runnign with choke on
-avoid revving or loading the engine with the choke on
as these are the two things that will give you excessive vacuum between turbo and carbi (in my opinion)
I would also advise getting a solex or stromberg or other variable venturi carbi - these will keep the venturi open under high rpm and vacuum - whereas with a webber/holley carbi you will make massive vacuum if you suddenly shut the throttle at high rpm.
if you have the time/money i'd strongly urge you to go EFI as all these issues are then put aside.
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 18 September 2005 23:14
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to the chukster & hurricane: Whats the difference between bolting the carbi to the front of the turbo or running piping to the top of the carbi from turbo (encasing it in a box). I understand the need to box the carbi but not sure why/how bolting carbi straight onto the turbo works? Doesn't hurricane's engine have a cross flow head? Does that mean the fuel/air mixture flows into inlet manifold on other side of engine from turbo? MAN MY BRAIN IS FRYING HERE! lol
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