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Tue, 06 September 2005 12:59
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i live in the n/w suburbs of melb... on the way home from uni i saw prices for unleaded go upto 138.9 per litre  it was only around 125ish in the morning... wats the go with the sudden price hike
wat are ppl from other states n cities paying for a litre of petrol these days?
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Adelaide
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Tue, 06 September 2005 13:09
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Hey, apparently in a few weeks here in SA they say it may reach the 1.60 mark 
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Castle Hill
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Tue, 06 September 2005 23:23
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i payed $27 for 18.5 litres of fuel last night.
FFS!! 
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Tue, 06 September 2005 23:57
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Premium 8000 @ mobil was up to 148 cents!
I was like fuck that, i just chucked in $5 and decided i'll goto united for their ethanol stuff which is like 120c
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Wed, 07 September 2005 02:14
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Sigh. I remember paying less than 40c/litre when I started driving, and it wasn't even that long ago.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 02:15
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 12:14 |
Sigh. I remember paying less than 40c/litre when I started driving, and it wasn't even that long ago.
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I remember thinking 80 was high, and I wouldn't pay that much! Now it's getting close to twice that.
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 02:17
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hehe yeah i remember my dad bitching about paying 60+ cents a litre when i was younger, since i have had my car i can't remember it being any less than say 87cents a litre.
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melbourne
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October 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 03:39
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its a disgrace. fukcing ridiculous that its up at 140 now. i knew it was going to get there eventually, but this is the most obscene rise in prices ever! i cant remember the last time (if ever) fuel jumped so much so quick. since the beginning of the year it has increased by almost 50%!
im glad i work 10 miuntes from home.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Wed, 07 September 2005 03:52
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| ViPeR_NiPPleX wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 09:57 |
Premium 8000 @ mobil was up to 148 cents!
I was like fuck that, i just chucked in $5 and decided i'll goto united for their ethanol stuff which is like 120c
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ethanol ey.... where do i get some of this stuff 
funny how shell (Jacana) was set to 1.39!!! and caltex (Broadmeadows) down the road was 1.24  like 2mins drive of each other 
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Sydney
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September 2004
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Wed, 07 September 2005 03:58
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It was 139.9 yesterday for regular unleaded. My mechanic said this morning he got it for 132.0 himself.
Shit it's crazy how fast its going up. If you stop and think about when we were like shit it's gone over a dollar. Then up to like 119 and everyone was looking out for places that were 97c/Litre and about 2 weeks ago it hit 1.30 and now 1.40.
Interest rates won't be going up for a long time yet.
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Dubbo
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April 2005
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:00
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lol yeah have that sorta price difference in dubbo
Shell 126.9
Bp Across the road 137.9
wtf?? what chance does BP have? and the price of shell is effectively 4c cheaper due to coles.
Tho the prices are just stupid, time to get a motor bike 
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:04
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since the beginning of the year it has increased by almost 50%
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Yep, and my jerry can full of unleaded fuel for the mower is turning out to be a tidy little investment, I purchased 10L of ULP at 87c/L now the same petrol station near my place wants $1.40/L. Not many other items have increased in value that much in 7 months
Now who wants to buy my 10L at the bargain price of $1.15/L
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:13
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And to think I sold my 6cyl Holden PV in 1976 because it was too expensive to run when the price reached 75c a gallon or 16.6c a litre.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:18
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I wish petrol was around 16.6c/ltr now days.
You know why this has happened though. The invasion of Iraq is what's pushed oil prices through the roof. I would not be surprised if American companies where helping them hike the oil prices up.
Why doesn't our govornment cut petrol tax? Oooh thats right, they don't give a stuff about anyone who isn't rich.
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:21
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read the other thread the war in iraq is only one factor the biggest factor is CHINA and there massive growth they are sucking the worlds resources dry because they are expanding very fast and they are just too big for us to keep up.
Basically once china's growth stabilises we'll see prices start to drop again, not neglecting the war in iraq or the fact that we just lost all bar about on or two oil rigs in the gulf of mexico where a shedload of oil comes from.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:23
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i wonder if i can build a car powered by 2 washingmachine motors and like 20 alternators?
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Liverpool NSW
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:28
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there was a guy that built a go-kart running on water. Water was converted to hydrogen and so fourth. But it was never sold has world leaders agreed that it could damage the economy.
So the next best safe thing will probably be electricity if theres a sortage in oil.
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:30
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electricity powered vehicles still damage the environment though as the electricity used to run them is created by burning coal hmmm solution i think not.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:30 |
electricity powered vehicles still damage the environment though as the electricity used to run them is created by burning coal hmmm solution i think not.
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I never said that it didnt
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
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shareholders dont care about pollution.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
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there was a guy that built a go-kart running on water
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I had a combi van that was powered by love 
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:32
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well coal is gonna run out around the same time as oil so its not a solution, ethanol is but at the moment it takes more energy to produce it then is gained from burning it lol
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:48
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dont no much of detail, but it was in the early 90's and allot of economists hated him. He was in hiding at one stage.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 04:49
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:46 |
| bubbles wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:28 |
there was a guy that built a go-kart running on water. Water was converted to hydrogen and so fourth. But it was never sold has world leaders agreed that it could damage the economy.
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Either that or it never sold because it was a giant scam. Where did the huge amount of power required to split water into H2 and O2 come from?
EDIT: I just realised that was a post by Bubbles. I feel like an idiot for even replying to such drivel.
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Thats ok, you problably think you no better.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:06
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LOL! The pseudo-science BS in that article makes me chortle.
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This engine was mounted on a lab bench in a garage area, with the door open for ventilation. On the floor were thirteen half-gallon containers linked together with tubes, all connected to a central, larger tube that ran directly to the carburetor of the motor.
In the containers was ordinary water plus an electrolyte (i.e., some type of salt).
When a piece of metal alloy was dropped into the electrolyte mixture, hydrogen instantly began to form at an amazing rate. The hydrogen gas traveled to a main tube, and from there straight to the carburetor.
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Anyone with a year-12 level understanding of chemistry can see the energy is coming from converting a substance at a high energy level (the piece of alloy) to a lower energy level (oxidised metal). And where did that piece of alloy come from? Oh that's right, massive smelters which use eleventy billion watts of electricity to convert ore into metal.
The rest of the article is just as bad from the parts I skimmed over, but a fundamental understanding of the laws of thermodynamics is enough to convince anyone that you can't get energy out of water. The device mentioned in the article above uses water as part of a chemical reaction, but none of the energy actually comes from water.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:12
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Another Amazing Breakthrough
Rothman Technologies, Inc., also has another method of converting water to fuel. It's called electrolysis.
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Electrolysis! What an amazing breakthrough!!! Wow, why didn't all those scientists think of this? The guy is obviously a genius, way ahead of his time. No wonder he had to go into hiding.
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Campbelltown
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:13
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 15:12 |
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Another Amazing Breakthrough
Rothman Technologies, Inc., also has another method of converting water to fuel. It's called electrolysis.
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Electrolysis! What an amazing breakthrough!!! Wow, why didn't all those scientists think of this? The guy is obviously a genius, way ahead of his time. No wonder he had to go into hiding.
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bwahahhahaha whats that about year 7 science i think we did an electrolysis experiment then
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:25
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ive always wanted to play around with electrolosis to supplament the supply of petrol on a little combustion engine like a 3K-C.
U shaped container with 2 electrodes one on each side of the U, one electrode catches oxygen the other catches hydrogen then send them (somehow safely) in with the petrol.
all for fun really, but wont try it until i have a skid farm.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:35
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:21 |
read the other thread the war in iraq is only one factor the biggest factor is CHINA and there massive growth they are sucking the worlds resources dry because they are expanding very fast and they are just too big for us to keep up.
Basically once china's growth stabilises we'll see prices start to drop again, not neglecting the war in iraq or the fact that we just lost all bar about on or two oil rigs in the gulf of mexico where a shedload of oil comes from.
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hasnt hurricane katrina also affected petrol prices due to refineries being damaged?
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Wed, 07 September 2005 05:36
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not just refineries it fucked of all bar one or two oil rigs in the gulf of mexico.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 06:43
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man, these prices are getting stupidly expensive. last night i put 25L in for 35$, was like 1.40 a L, jus for the normal stuff. then this morning, on tv, they said that we gotta bite the bullet n fill up cause its only gonna go higher! wtf. how much is it gonna come to? soon, very soon $2 a L or sufmin stupid.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 07:30
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 15:12 |
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Another Amazing Breakthrough
Rothman Technologies, Inc., also has another method of converting water to fuel. It's called electrolysis.
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Electrolysis! What an amazing breakthrough!!! Wow, why didn't all those scientists think of this? The guy is obviously a genius, way ahead of his time. No wonder he had to go into hiding.
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If you knew this, why did you ask me?
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Wed, 07 September 2005 07:34
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| bubbles wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 17:30 |
If you knew this, why did you ask me?
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WTF? My question was "where did the energy come from to create the hydrogen?" (Electrolysis requires a lot of power to create a small amount of H2 and O2 from water). I didn't see an answer to that in any of the web sites you posted.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 07:35
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 17:34 |
| bubbles wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 17:30 |
If you knew this, why did you ask me?
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WTF? My question was "where did the energy come from to create the hydrogen?" (Electrolysis requires a lot of power to create a small amount of H2 and O2 from water). I didn't see an answer to that in any of the web sites you posted.
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I dont need to answer this. Your too smart.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 07:42
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:32 |
well coal is gonna run out around the same time as oil so its not a solution, ethanol is but at the moment it takes more energy to produce it then is gained from burning it lol
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Actualy it doesn't.
To distill ethanol, uses about 40% of the power that it then produces. And thats with our current distillation methods (which aren't great I hear).
Cars that can run on a mix of ethanol and petrol should have been in mass productions years ago. Ethanol isn't the solution, but it's a great way to thin out the oil supplies while we come up with something else. But ofcourse we wont do that.
Atleast with ethanol we still get a conventional engine (that we can modify like a current engine). I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy modding an electric engine (if you even can!).
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Wed, 07 September 2005 09:51
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i am talking US spec ethanol here produced thru distilling maize (corn) it'd be cheaper to use sugar cane aka north QLD. There was a report released only weeks ago about it saying that it was taking more energy to convert the maize into ethanol than the energy gained from burning it. 
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Wed, 07 September 2005 11:46
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It's not just distilling the ethanol, you also have to take into account the cost of cultivating the base product, harvesting it, transporting it, and all the rest. Very large amounts of diesel fuel involved there! That's why ethanol is not currently viable in terms of reducing fossil fuel usage - although I suppose it could improve as volumes increase and production methods are improved.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 13:27
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 15:06 |
LOL! The pseudo-science BS in that article makes me chortle.
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This engine was mounted on a lab bench in a garage area, with the door open for ventilation. On the floor were thirteen half-gallon containers linked together with tubes, all connected to a central, larger tube that ran directly to the carburetor of the motor.
In the containers was ordinary water plus an electrolyte (i.e., some type of salt).
When a piece of metal alloy was dropped into the electrolyte mixture, hydrogen instantly began to form at an amazing rate. The hydrogen gas traveled to a main tube, and from there straight to the carburetor.
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Anyone with a year-12 level understanding of chemistry can see the energy is coming from converting a substance at a high energy level (the piece of alloy) to a lower energy level (oxidised metal). And where did that piece of alloy come from? Oh that's right, massive smelters which use eleventy billion watts of electricity to convert ore into metal.
The rest of the article is just as bad from the parts I skimmed over, but a fundamental understanding of the laws of thermodynamics is enough to convince anyone that you can't get energy out of water. The device mentioned in the article above uses water as part of a chemical reaction, but none of the energy actually comes from water.
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it's easy to make a shiteload of hydrogen by putting aluminium into concentrated caustic soda solution (ie NaOH.. a sort of salt  )
we used to make little rockety things with coke bottles and the like...
NaOH aint free, aluminium uses truckloads of electricity.. you could use iron i spose, but what a shitty way to do it.
ahh bubbles
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Wed, 07 September 2005 13:29
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 21:46 |
It's not just distilling the ethanol, you also have to take into account the cost of cultivating the base product, harvesting it, transporting it, and all the rest. Very large amounts of diesel fuel involved there! That's why ethanol is not currently viable in terms of reducing fossil fuel usage - although I suppose it could improve as volumes increase and production methods are improved.
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i was of the understanding that at the moment it is viable for aussie farmers to produce it, but that the government would not guarantee a grace period where it was not taxed (like for diesel and LPG), and as such, when it was ready to hit the market in 2-3 years, the 50% or so tax would price it out of the market....
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Wed, 07 September 2005 13:46
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| bubbles wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 14:28 |
there was a guy that built a go-kart running on water. Water was converted to hydrogen and so fourth. But it was never sold has world leaders agreed that it could damage the economy.
So the next best safe thing will probably be electricity if theres a sortage in oil.
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hogwash.
thats just dumb to even think that..
fwiw, toyota have 6 cars currently leased out that use fuel cells combined with electric motors.
quite a few cars in the toyota range are available with petrol/electric hybrid systems
and fwiw, i work with ppl who are devloping both solid oxide fuel cells (high temp) and polymer fuel cells (low temp) so no more bubbles crap on that please..
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The environment is experiencing tremendous problems at the moment, and one of the most serious of these is that we are losing our oxygen. The oxygen content of the air is becoming so low that it threatens our very existence in some areas. The normal oxygen content of our air is 21 percent. But in some places it is only a fraction of that! In Tokyo, Japan, for example, the oxygen content of the air has dipped to 6 or 7 percent. If it reaches 5 percent, people will begin to die. Tokyo has even put oxygen disbursement centers on its street corners, so that people can get emergency oxygen if they need it.
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AHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHA
what a crock of shit.
we had oxygen alarm systems in my old lab to tell us when O2 got below 19%.
tokyo has normal oxygen levels.. otherwise i would have died in a nightclub last friday
there are tubes of oxygen in stores, but are a) a gimmick, and b) directed towrd ppl who are going mountain climbing (like the hundreds of thousands of ppl who climb mt fuji every year)
BWAAHAHHAHAH... ppl are gonna start dying in tokyo from lack of oxygen... ahhhh.. sigh....
good to se that ppl look at their links before posting
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Wed, 07 September 2005 13:49
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| dingaling wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 21:57 |
"electricity powered vehicles still damage the environment though as the electricity used to run them is created by burning coal hmmm solution i think not."
Not here in tas, Hyrdro power my friend! all the electricity in this state is generated from flowing water. But apparently dam levels are getting dangerously low and if it keeps up will have to shut down power stations. We have a Wind farm up north that is generating enuf power to drive 100,000 homes or so i hear.
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Yeah hydro is not really a perfect solution, taking energy from the water doesn't come without a cost! Solar is about as good as it gets, but we are struggling to make it efficient enough to be practical. With any energy resource, you have to consider how much energy is used to create and distribute the resource, I'd be tempted to say off the top of my head that hydrogen is a more efficient form of power than oil (because of the amount of energy required to create and distribute fossil fuels isn't amazingly favourable).
Secondly - why do I care about all this anyway? I get around on a Kwakka ZZR250 or a bus, so getting places costs me SFA.
BWAHAHAHAH
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Wed, 07 September 2005 13:52
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| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 07 September 2005 23:16 |
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The environment is experiencing tremendous problems at the moment, and one of the most serious of these is that we are losing our oxygen. The oxygen content of the air is becoming so low that it threatens our very existence in some areas. The normal oxygen content of our air is 21 percent. But in some places it is only a fraction of that! In Tokyo, Japan, for example, the oxygen content of the air has dipped to 6 or 7 percent. If it reaches 5 percent, people will begin to die. Tokyo has even put oxygen disbursement centers on its street corners, so that people can get emergency oxygen if they need it.
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AHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHA
what a crock of shit.
we had oxygen alarm systems in my old lab to tell us when O2 got below 19%.
tokyo has normal oxygen levels.. otherwise i would have died in a nightclub last friday
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6-7% oxygen in tokyo? HAHAHAHAHA - that's the dumbest thing I've heard all week, and I work at a pizza store where people ask stupid crap like "What's on your 'Meat' pizza? Does it have olives?"
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Wed, 07 September 2005 14:00
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bah! it could be done more efficiently but overall the electricy generated from hydro is world class here in tas.
It could only be argued that it's not 100% env friendly due to the energy and materials used in contructing the power stations, and infrastructure to carry the electricty.
Solar panels get that same argument. Apparenlty some jap boffins have got solar panels to a 70% effieciency in converting sunlight into electricty, if true that is impressive.
Whats the ZZR250 like?
Looking into a honda cbr250rr becuase honda build some ultra reliable motors. But have also heard the zzr's are a good choice.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 14:02
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as for hydrogen economy, there are a couple of european towns that are vying to become the first to run on the hydrogen economy, using wind and solar to provide hydrogen...
i think it's neat
when polymer fuel cells get their efficiency up and cost down, and hydrogen containment methods improve, we will quickly see it's implementation in production vehicles...
fwiw also, one of the worlds leading fuel cell researchers (from the UK.. buggered if i can remember his name), calculated that with the worlds current supply of platinum, using ALL of it to make current technology fuel cells wuld make 100,000cars per year.. no more...
so that is another reason it is not viable yet.. they need to find mroe abundant/cheaper materials to actually be able to make 'commercial' quantities....
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Wed, 07 September 2005 14:15
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mm purdy  there has been quite a lot of money pured into hydrogen binding of ceramics and the like... main problems have been density of fuel stored, ease and safety of recharging with hydrogen, and controlled release..
it's not a matter of if it will happen.. it's a metter of when it will happen, and you can be sure that oil companies will be amoung the first to snap up shares in startups, becuase they know how much money there is to be made (ie with BP buying rights to solar cells from UNSW.. and then supplying the solar cells for the sydney olympic village )
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Wed, 07 September 2005 14:26
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There was a good show on freedom TV (winamp shoutcast TV)
that has a segment that repeats every week on cars of the future.
The guy that invented some form of recharable battery (nickel hydryde or something like that) converted his toyota prius to hydrogen powered. He also invented a way to store the hydrogen kind of like a sponge, and something about the hydrogen bieng a solid form. GM apparntly want to use his idea and put this sponge stuff inside the actual car body (ie inside structual pipes and things that are used to give the car strength, ridgedy etc).
And so essentially in the event of a crash your fuel tank is now going to be used to absorb impact, sounds pretty nutty, but a good watch.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Wed, 07 September 2005 14:38
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coolies, looking forward to links
there is so much new shit coming out it7s hard to keep track of, but the solid binding of hydrogen was pretty important for car companies.. heck look what happened to ford? when they had tyre problems and fuel tank ruptures...
yah a mate who's 6'1 had ZZR.. he's now got a ninja600... i'm only 6` but the ZZR fit nicely... esp compared to CBR250.. the kwakkas seem to be generally good for taller peeps... ducati = shortasses othr than that, the upright bikes like Zeal fit ok.. but you look a bit silly
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Wed, 07 September 2005 15:04
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Yeah I recommend with bikes that you just go around and try out *everything* you can, and just see what works and what doesn't. ZZR250 is reasonable but they are so gutless it's not funny I can only *just* lift the front end when accelerating in first. ZX2Rs are another option as a learners bike (from the Kwakka brigade), they are a bit heavier and I'm not really sure how they feel, the ZZR is pretty popular cause it's a bit lighter and more nimble.
I'm 5'9 and in pretty decent shape so I fit on just about anything Japanese, but some are more comfy than others and some of the heavier bikes feel a bit cumbersome on me (i'm 67kg/featherweight size), they need to be muscled a bit more as I don't have the weight to lean them over.
But enough about bikes
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Sat, 10 September 2005 17:05
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I remember reading somewhere that we are actually not running out of oil, it's just a fraud, as an excuse to raise oil price, in fact we are running into more oil that we can ever burn, it mentions that more coal, oil and fuel are being created everyday by the hot earth's center, and coal & fuel is actually not "fossil fuel" as we were told, it's actually just some normal "Hydrocarbons HCOs" as every other natural thing on earth, not sure if it's true...
But the way the world is so totally addicted with oil, it sure is a great way to control the economics, population and even the world! 
With some search on the internet, there's even information of great inventors decades ago who have invented combustion engines which are way more efficient than today's design, but instead are threaten, humuliated, arrested, jailed, or just forced out of existence, not sure if it's true either...
The topic about electrolysis is very much debated, but I've heard 2 rumours, #1, electrolysis can be archieved by a "catalyst", catalytic conversion without energy input? (high school chemistry, sounds possible), and the 2nd rumour, Hydrogen and Oxygen can be separated by a resonating frequency (high school physics, we know that energy can be converted to sound energy very easily and efficiently, and all objects have a frequency where they will start to shake, thinning out such object making the destruction much easier, sounds possible too)
Many people take the "Conservation of Energy" for granted, what, just if I say, what if this is a big lie, or started off as a big mistake, but turned into a lie, or the Conservation of Energy is just not what we all know about, just a very daring suggestion...
Also I've got 3 little things that I've got in my mind, that I don't have the answer to, but is really worth thinking about...
Why does spliting the atom create so much energy? Where does the energy come from? Is this consistent with "Conservation of Energy"?
Why does your split system air-conditioning produce about 7.5kW of cooling/heating by consuming only 2.5kW of energy???
You know there's electrons that keeps revolving around atoms, can you stop these atoms spinning??
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Kellyville, Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
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| 86tt wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 03:05 |
I remember reading somewhere that we are actually not running out of oil, it's just a fraud, as an excuse to raise oil price, in fact we are running into more oil that we can ever burn, it mentions that more coal, oil and fuel are being created everyday by the hot earth's center, and coal & fuel is actually not "fossil fuel" as we were told, it's actually just some normal "Hydrocarbons HCOs" as every other natural thing on earth, not sure if it's true...
But the way the world is so totally addicted with oil, it sure is a great way to control the economics, population and even the world!
With some search on the internet, there's even information of great inventors decades ago who have invented combustion engines which are way more efficient than today's design, but instead are threaten, humuliated, arrested, jailed, or just forced out of existence, not sure if it's true either...
The topic about electrolysis is very much debated, but I've heard 2 rumours, #1, electrolysis can be archieved by a "catalyst", catalytic conversion without energy input? (high school chemistry, sounds possible), and the 2nd rumour, Hydrogen and Oxygen can be separated by a resonating frequency (high school physics, we know that energy can be converted to sound energy very easily and efficiently, and all objects have a frequency where they will start to shake, thinning out such object making the destruction much easier, sounds possible too)
Many people take the "Conservation of Energy" for granted, what, just if I say, what if this is a big lie, or started off as a big mistake, but turned into a lie, or the Conservation of Energy is just not what we all know about, just a very daring suggestion...
Also I've got 3 little things that I've got in my mind, that I don't have the answer to, but is really worth thinking about...
Why does spliting the atom create so much energy? Where does the energy come from? Is this consistent with "Conservation of Energy"?
Why does your split system air-conditioning produce about 7.5kW of cooling/heating by consuming only 2.5kW of energy???
You know there's electrons that keeps revolving around atoms, can you stop these atoms spinning??
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i think anyone who tells you we are NOT running out of fossil fuels is the same type of conspiricy theorist that wraps their head in alfoil so the cia doesnt steal their thoughts.
there isnt much to be disputed about conservation of energy laws. energy from splitting the atom comes from the strong nuclear force (i think, please dont flame me). this is consistent with COE laws.
read the specs on your aircon again.
electrons are part of the atom, they revolve around the nucleus. i dont think you can stop them moving. why would you want to anyway?
chris
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South Australia
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
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86tt -> all of science is just theory, so you are right to question it but without relevant proof of a better theory then generally we stick with what we've got. For example in answer to your question about 'electrons' spinning -> we don't actually know if electrons revolve per se, or if they are actually a solid ball-shaped thing or if they look like the playboy bunny logo.
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: Petrol Prices
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Sun, 11 September 2005 06:20
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And yeah it comes from nuclear force, which to be honest is a bit mysterious.
I guess this kind of theory is quite old, but there are three basic forces in the universe. Electrical, gravitational and nuclear. To be honest, how firing a neutron into a nuclear core causes it to split and release energy is a bit of a quandary to me as well.
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