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weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 09:07 Go to next message
1. TA22 weight? How much does the TA22 weigh, i need to know for engineering purposes. Do the engineers count the standard factory weight or the current vehicles weight? (this is for engine capacity by the way.)

2. I maaaaaay be able to get a guy to engineer my TA22 with a 13B turbo in it (2.6L turbo). I know the max capacity is 2.4 turbo, but apparently he can still do it somehow... besides, [ROTATR] is 13B turbo.

3. How the f@rk did that Jamie guy put a 4L twin turbo in his TA22?!?!?! (and engineer it i mean). any suggestions? I also know this guy here in Canberra who has a sub 1000kg Mazda 808 (yes-20b)with a 500hp+ 20B TURBO in it. (those who have seen his turbo will know why I have written it in capitals). Anyway,that thing has engineers, and it also had the certificate done when it still had the 13inch stockies on it... you can imagine the size of the brakes then... All i'm saying is that with all these cars getting around, there must be some kind of way to get past these capacity vs weight rules.

Any help will be greatly appreaciated.

André

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well if you ask the QLD RTA they will tell you that the Tare weight of a 1974 TA22 is 953kg's!
So:
Tare weight
multiplied by 3
equates to: 2859cc's

This means you should be fine Very Happy
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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I live in the A.C.T though. obviously the weight won't differ from state to state lol, but i think the engineering rules do don't they? Can anyone verify this? I've heard that for the TA22's weight, you are allowed 2.4 litre turbo, or 2.88 litre naturally aspirated. i dunno weather that's for N.S.W or what. If those are seriously the rules in Q.L.D, then i may be getting my aunty up there to "house" my car... lol

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I know nothing...But when I was speaking to the RTA, the guy never said anything about forced induction! He just said exactly what I just posted Confused
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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the rules vary state-to-state Jaime dogged it because he lives on the NSW-VIC border (or so I've heard) gor it rego'd in VIC (which has more relaxed regulations) and it was fine. No chance in NSW though.

You gotta find out what your state wants...do they have a website??

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeez that sounds alright, i would be quite willing to travel to Victoria if it meant i could drop a 20B turbo into the thing... Thanks very much for your help guys, anyone else with any info about this topic please feel free to add!

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Sun, 29 December 2002 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andre this has been covered many times
(starting to sound like Norbie Smile )

In NSW it goes like this....
for cars weighing under 1100 Kg (or i think its 1200 Kg) which is u

its:
N/A - Weight X 3
Forced Induction - Weight X 2.5

example

TA22's weight at 950 kg:
N/A - 2.8 ltre
Forced Induction - 2.4 ltres
for rotaries u gotta doube there capacity

for example...the 13B is a 1.3 ltre right ?
hence it classifies as a 2.6 ltre
so u can have it NA but not turbo

Hope this helps

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Mon, 30 December 2002 04:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mani's right
pity you didn't pick a car that weighed over 1100 kgs, because the rules change as soon as your car weighs 1100kg... for example my ra65 celica could have legally had a 3litre turbo supra engine in it, and not get close to the capacity laws (it weighs 1140kgs supposedly)
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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Mon, 30 December 2002 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yep ok that solves the N.S.W part of things, but what's the go with the other states? surely there must be rta websites or something, maybe i'm just not looking hard enough. I'm sure you can get around these laws somehow though, by converting the car to a full-chassis setup or something. What about ROTATR? That's 13B turbo, and what about YES-20B? 4L turbo in an 808 sedan? Confused i'm confused. anyway.
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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Mon, 30 December 2002 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yes there is a way around it

i think if u classify your car as custom built or some crap like that....u can have like 5 X wieght or something

its expensive the fiorst time to register/blueslip etc....but after that every year is like a normal car rego etc...

Someone else can talk about this cause im not too sure ...

(omg i cant talk ...too tired from labouring !!!)

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Re: weight vs capacity & engineers cert. Thu, 16 January 2003 04:47 Go to previous message
Haha, suckers!!! In the A.C.T i can put a 20B turbo (4litre turbo) in my Celica and get it fully engineered and regoe'd,and i don't even have to classify it as a "custom built" vehicle, just a modified production! I found out heaps yesterday and now the 13B turbo is DEFINATELY a go'er! also i found out about the way people similar to Jamie get around these situations in tight-ass states like nsw, you can classify your car as a "custom built" vehicle, that is, say you built the vehicle yourself, not just modified a standard production vehicle ( even though that's what you've really done.) that's how people build their own hot rods, and clubmans (PRB's, Caterham's, Westfields e.t.c) they get an engineering certificate to say that the vehicle was a custom one off sorta thing. It's a lot more complicated than this but that's the general idea. The only downside to this is that when you start saying it's "custom built" you have to make sure that the vehicle complies to all the rules and regulations that any new modern car does. This means retractable seatbelts, emissions, the lot. In short, BIG BUCKS!!! but fortunately i don't have to go to this extent so it's all good! Anyway, just thought i'd post this for anyone that was interested in it and wasn't sure like i wasn't before.

Andre

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