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Modbury, SA
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September 2002
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3SGE Versions
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Mon, 30 December 2002 08:00
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How many versions of the 3SGE are there? What power does each make? What models they come in? Anyone know a good site with this info?
Cheers.
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Location:
Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Mon, 30 December 2002 11:59
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trd_celica,
I can tell you what I know? I 3sge engine was in the celica sx from 1986 - 1989. You will also find this engine in the mr2 from 1991 - 199?. The Bathurst models mr2's had the 3sgte (turbo) engine as well as the gt4 celicas from 1986 - 1989.
There are three different generation 3sge engines. Each generation came out with a little more power and slight changes.
Just do some searchs in yahoo or google for "3sge" and "3sgte" and I am sure you will be keeped busy with the amount of information you will find!
By the way these engines are what I feel to be one of the best engines toyota has produced with huge amounts of potential. 
"gt4rider"
st165
3sgte
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Location:
Modbury, SA
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September 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Mon, 30 December 2002 13:10
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Thanks for your help...
The reason why I am interested is because my 22R-E is on the way out and I'm gonna go with a 3S-GE to replace it, but I'm not sure which version to go with. I have spoken to a local guy that has done these conversions and said I might as well go for the third gen (173hp) coz it's the same price as a second gen (156hp), does this sound right?
What model is the third gen out of? Are they readily available?
I have only read and heard good things about the 3S-GE and thats why I came to my decision and have no doubt that its the best toyota engine.
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Tue, 31 December 2002 08:50
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There are five generations of the 3S-GE...
Gen1 is 91 octane, 135hp... they're pretty old (1986 - 1990) so they'll have quite a few km's on the clock too... These should be fairly cheap.
Gen2 is 96 octane, 156hp... the 9.75:1 compression ratio and good powerband makes these a nice buy. 1990-1993 I'd say around $1200 for the engine..
Gen3 is probably the best you can get for your money... 98 octane, 173hp, 10.5:1 compression ratio... Very strong midrange. Around $1350 for the engine, $4500 for the halfcut
Gen4 is hard to find, and not really worth it... it is detuned for the US market, to comply with anti smog stuff... one advantage of this engine is oil squirters in the bottom end.
Gen5, the latest and greatest, is a 98 octane, 205 hp, 8500rpm redline beast. It's fitted to Altezza/LS200 with a 6 Speed gearbox, RWD configuration. They have Excellent EFI, VVTi, and much more advanced materials for the components. Expect to pay around $8000 for the engine, $12000 for the halfcut.
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Redbank Plains,near Ipswi...
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Fri, 03 January 2003 22:53
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to correct some errors.............
all turbo engines and GEN4/5 engines have piston oil squirters
avoid used modified Turbo engines as cranks break from over-boost and lack of m'tence.
some GEN1 engines have 6 bolt cranks like camry 3SFE
I doubt the GEN4 is detuned for USA. it was a home market engine with single VVt-i fitted mostly to Caldina wagon and a few MR2's
the GEN3 onwards have lots of differences and are hard to come by. they have totally different head, manifolds etc
the GEN5 has as a very light crank and a million other differences. Only sold in RWD form I believe
I have a good GEN2 complete with harness, computer etc from a MR2 if anyone interested
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Location:
Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Sat, 04 January 2003 02:15
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Would the Gen5/Beams motor be very hard to source parts for as I hardly ever see this motor come up at the importers.
I do remember that someone on these forums was putting one into an RA65 I believe.
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Location:
Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Sat, 04 January 2003 02:48
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Correction to the corrections -
There are only four generations, though the latest one which is the blacktop Gen Four which is found in the RWD Altezza is as Terry said a different in many ways to the earlier Gen Four redtop. They are still known as a Gen Four though.
The redline is 7800rpm though, not 8500rpm.
I paid around $6000 for my front-cut.
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Location:
Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Sat, 04 January 2003 03:56
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Where did you source your front cut from Bill? Any URLs or Ph numbers would be great!
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Sat, 04 January 2003 05:24
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www.jappart.com.au
They've only had a couple go through in the last year or so, so you'd have to be lucky. I also got a very good price from them for other reasons.
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Redbank Plains,near Ipswi...
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Mon, 06 January 2003 02:56
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Bill, when I was at Toyota racing last year, they actually refer to it as gen 5. I've not seen anything in print however. They are still a rare engine and will continue to be so for quite a while I think ,until the Altessa cars start getting much older.
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Location:
nth ringwood, Victoria
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August 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Tue, 07 January 2003 10:12
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ah but bill is god ,he knows everthing ,ha ha only joking bill
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Brisbane / Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Wed, 08 January 2003 08:54
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I agree that they really should be called a Gen five, but all the stuff I've read everywhere on them always refers to them as a Gen four.
Since that's the case, I think of them like the two 20 valve 4AGEs - They're both the same 'generation' of engine as such, but there's a lot of little differences between them and so they should really be called something different, but by calling them silver and black top we all know what we mean.
Guess the same goes for the red & black top Gen four 3SGE's, we all know what we're talking about.
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I supported Toymods
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I renounced punctuation
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Wed, 08 January 2003 09:26
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Is the designation of BEAMS (red) and BEAMS2 (black) correct?
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nth ringwood, Victoria
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August 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Wed, 08 January 2003 11:07
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red tops were only made for 6 months /st202 facelift model S3 and mr2 sw20 till mrs came out ,they only make blacktop single vvti which is availible for caldina and corona and some other models and the blacktop dual vvti which is the altezza and that has 2 hp out puts 210 for manual and 200 for auto ,the caldina version makes 190 manual and 180 ps auto
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Redbank Plains,near Ipswi...
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Wed, 08 January 2003 22:55
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my blacktop simply has "beams" written on it.
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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 Re: 3SGE Versions
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Wed, 08 January 2003 23:01
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Another correction.
| "gt4rider" wrote on Mon, 30 December 2002 22:59 |
The Bathurst models mr2's had the 3sgte (turbo) engine as well as the gt4 celicas from 1986 - 1989.
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No Australian delivered MR2 came with the 3S-GTE. The Bathurst had a 3S-GE.
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Location:
NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Re: 3SGE Versions
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Tue, 12 October 2004 08:42
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 09 January 2003 10:01 |
Another correction.
| "gt4rider" wrote on Mon, 30 December 2002 22:59 |
The Bathurst models mr2's had the 3sgte (turbo) engine as well as the gt4 celicas from 1986 - 1989.
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No Australian delivered MR2 came with the 3S-GTE. The Bathurst had a 3S-GE.
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The bathurst 3SGE is the Gen 3
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