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 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Wed, 05 June 2002 08:16
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Heya guys, just found out about your site, the forums look great!
I purchased a 1986 Celica SX with a 3S-GE motor in it at the start of the year. It had done 200,000k's on it and was only one owner. It only has a few issues with it, but I just did a major one.
I somewhat ceased up the pistons  I had placed new oil through the engine around 2 months ago and was a fool not to check it. It wasn't a smokey car and ran well.
Just about a week ago a new noise came to my car, a sort of rattling, like a chain noise, when the engine was put under strain.
I was travelling along the freeway and it sounded like that chain noise came off, and the engine turned off. I called up RACV on the freeway and they tried to rotate the pistons. They moved around freely about 3/4 of the way and then jammed up. He could wind it back the other way too, but they would jam up agian. He checked the oil and I was so embarassed, there was no oil in the engine.
Basically now I was looking at getting a reconditioned engine. (maybe overdoing it). I have just started my research and I rang up a place who said that they would recondition my 3S-GE 1st generation motor for $2600! argh! they would take it away, do the work and bring it back to me.
My friend talked about the possibility of putting a reconditioned 3rd generation 3S-GE motor in, because you could buy the engine for around $300-400 from the wreckers. reconditioning it and that should cost upward towards $1350, then trying to do an engine exchange.
I would like to know of any opinions into these actions, if anyone konws of any porblems I may have in doing it, things I have to check for etc.
Your help will be greatly appreciated!
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Wed, 05 June 2002 08:27
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1. Listen to your mate.
2. Get another engine all together. It's got too many k's on it.
3. Consider a 3sgte.
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Re: 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Wed, 05 June 2002 11:23
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So you would recommend a reconditioned third generation, not a reconditioned first generation?
Has anyone done this before? would there be any issues with using a 3rd generation in my 1986 Celica? Would I need to get anything else new?
A 3S-GTE motor would cost to much for the insurance I think.
What is the HP rating of a 3S-GE 3rd Gen? What kind of benefits are there for this motor?  are they twin cam? not overhead? better fuel efficiency? etc...
Your help is really really appreciated guys. thanks
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Fri, 07 June 2002 23:19
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Just a question, when reconditioning your engine what is the difference between a short and long motor?
I rang up repco and did some research on it. They quoted me $2500 for a 94 long reconditioned engine, but the lady wasn't sure of my 3S-GE third Gen motor, she actually quoted me a 5S-FE motor or something (unsure). I was a bit worried about that cause I didn't know that my car could take that engine.
I am wondering what engine the ~92-98 MR2 used.. does anyone have this car or know what type it has in it?
I am currently thinking that I will get a mechanic to remove the engine out and have a look at the damage that has been done to the engine. I will also try and find a engine provider and see if he could hold an engine for 24hours for me, while I wait the news of how fucked my engine is. If it is a lot of money then I will ring up the engine provider and get him to deliver it to the mechanic to get installed.
I just have to find an engine. hehe
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Sat, 08 June 2002 02:08
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I bought an 86 SX for my wife and when I found out what a great driving car it was, I got one for myself.(2l 3SGE) The motor with Yamaha head is such a sporty free-revving motor you end up giving it plenty of stick!
At just over 200000 Klms both motors blew within a year of each other, both suffered from spinning a big end bearing.
In each case, I had it towed to an importer and had a low mileage import motor dropped in. No problems at all and was a cheap effective fix. One tip...swap injectors from your motor,injectors on the import motor were blocked from sitting around.
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Sat, 08 June 2002 03:44
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One further thought..the original 2Litre 3SGE is the hot motor to get,
similar to MR2, later models had the F series camry sedan motor not as sporty or revvy (probably more reliable-butless power)
The orig spark plugs are platinum-good for 100klm unless the local garage gives it a "service" -in go the ordinary ones.
Rubber Cam belt breaks around 120000 klm and did not damage the head.
Stock fault intermittent starting (auto) fixed with a bypass relay to starter solenoid (this fault both cars)
Alternator brushes, CV's went both cars around 160000.
Keep the front spoiler etc fixed..affects cooling.
The extractors/exhaust manifold go thin and crack, if orig, at 250000 Klms
Ditch the stereo and the electric aerial, crap and expensive to fix, go aftermarket.
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Sat, 08 June 2002 06:26
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Yeah the car has been really fun, I think it was really really powerful for my first car. Acceleration was pretty nice. I think they marked them at about 103kW for that year. (? source: the age cars) 
When I got the car there was one previous owner which had it as a company car, and then bought it when his lease expired. No major problems were with the car..
I bought it off a second hand car dealer a fair bit out of the city. Had new goodyear tires and registration for 12months  . He needed to replace CV joints, the windscreen (as they do), battery (still a problem), and there was a loud tappit noise. He fixed it all up and it was quite good.
I learnt later when driving around that the front right suspension was screwed. I would go around the corner and it would scrape its nose ended up with some pretty crappy scrapes on the plastic airdam :-S
What did you new motor cost you pedroenglish? What Importer did you go to? Thanks for the tip on the injectors! Do you still have the car? was it the same generation engine?
Anyone know of one in melbourne where I could go and do this? 
Thanks guys
Cameron
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Re: 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Sat, 08 June 2002 07:15
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err second attempt...
funny what you have lieing around.. hehe my car in the sales yard lol
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-GE Motor Exchange (argh!)
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Sun, 09 June 2002 00:44
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Dave Wallace has done this swap on a friend's ST162 Celica. I think the new engine was from a sw20 MR2. I vaguely remember that they had to use the old throttle body, as the new one hit the firewall. I think the new engine ran off the old ECU as well. Not something I would recommend.
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Sun, 09 June 2002 02:54
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The front spoiler gets knocked around cos the ground clearance is real low, steep drives and speed humps at speed 
The two motor importers were around Bayswater( a few years ago)..
The first supplied and fitted, the other supplied only but they recommended a mob who fitted. Check Saturdays "Age" and ring for quotes.(also TradingPost dealers and yello pages) If you can get the installer to select the motor, you can be sure they'll pick a good 'un.(they're responsible then...) From memory it was $1500 all up but could well be a lot less now.
Both cars still going well, sold mine, was black and facing a respray, recently for a turbo machine.
Pedro
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Mon, 10 June 2002 05:05
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Yeah I will look into the SW-20 engine. what is a import 182?
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May 2002
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Tue, 11 June 2002 14:48
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About Christmas time, my 1st gen 3SGE fucked up real bad (200,000 approx) but it had been given allot of stick.
I looked into all of the above options aswell...
1. Import 3RD Gen 3SGE - about 138Kw - about $3500 including instalation(outrigt)
2. 1st gen 3SGTE - about 140Kw - about same price
3. Rebuilding my 1st gen 3SGE - $3500 including (new gearbox) and instalation, plus warrenty
(which none of the others would provide)
In the end i got mine rebuilt as i now know what it has been through and can drive with confidence.
But if i had my time again, i would probably have gone the 3RD gen 3SGE cause the place that rebuilt mine were really shit once they got my money, i mean the engine is ok but they didn't replace engine mounts that were ripped, they blew my alternator up then deny'd it, the engine was leaking oil for a while, but i took it back and they basically Gasket glue'd up everything.
But Toyospares (Bayswater) are a good place to look and talk to cause they have had allot of experiance with these kind of swaps.
Mat
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