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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Tue, 20 September 2005 23:49
 
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Thanks .
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 00:41
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 07:32 |
carburettors have chokes and jets in the air-stream which limits peak airflow
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no problem just remove the choke 
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 00:43
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Arrgh, my back hurts. I don't no how they can sleep, and not a chair insight.
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Anyway, you obvisouly didn't do that much research if one of your conclusions is this:
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You have to run 2ECU's
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I know of a particular car that I see regularly that is setup for staged injection and runs one ECU. I think I can safely assume your two ECU info came form some Jap website where the car had a zillion electronic devices all doing the job one decent ECU could handle.
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Learning more about twin injection, there wasn't much of a point to run it.
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Oh dear, probably not much point in some instances and probably quite practical in other instances. I don't think you actually learnt much at all.
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so I don't think it will outperform a good injection system.
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Please define "performance" are you referring to peak power, driveability, economy etc???
Here are some of my EXPERIENCES:
Living in a place that sees sub zero temps meant that my car with twin 40mm sidedraft carbies was a farken pain to drive until properly warmed up. They needed regular tuning, offered average fuel economy, had adequate top end, sounded tough.
My EFI on the same capacity engine shites all over it in every respect except induction noise.
Carbies are old school and fitting them to something now is only done to keep the car setup like it was back in its day, for the sake of being different (eg carbs on a 4AG), the owner is scared of technology or they were fitted because they were laying around the shed.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 00:47
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Refer to the twin injection thread which is blocked. Check the last 6 posts.
Installing two injectors per cylinder can require two ecu's.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 00:52
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Installing two injectors per cylinder can require two ecu's.
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No one is disputing that you can or could but you said:
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You have to run 2ECU's
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That was what I was pointing out.
Looking at what a lot of Japanese folk do to their cars highlights what can or could be done but it does not make it the best or only way to do something 
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 00:53
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 08:47 |
Refer to the twin injection thread which is blocked. Check the last 6 posts.
Installing two injectors per cylinder can require two ecu's.
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Refer to ke382TG's post.
Any DECENT ecu can run staged injectors.
ie, a second set of injectors turning on when you like.
Rotors run them stock.
You saw the 2 ecu thing, because ppl in japan don't used decent ecu's.
They use piggypack ontop of piggyback ontop of piggyback.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:06
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But these aren't staged.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:08
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 09:06 |
But these aren't staged.
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So you set the 2nd stage to come on at 500rpm instead of 3500rpm
It doesn't matter.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:09
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 09:06 |
But these aren't staged.
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What are they then dude? 
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:13
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But these aren't staged.
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That changes nothing in this discussion, 2 ECUS are not required to run 2 banks of injectors whether they are run simultaneously or staged.
How's the weather in Japan
I found your "reference" and this dude clearly has done this just for pose/wank factor. 180ps is nothing great and does not require twin injectors nor 2 ECU's.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:16
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Then whats the point of it then, ie by staging them you have smaller injectors that deliver a more accurate flow at low rpm in an attempt to not have huge fuel consumption, then when needed the second set of injectors chime in and add the extra fuel needed.
By not having the staged you may as well have one big set of fuck off injectors as you are just complicating matters.
Another thing to note on the twin injection drift car is it states that the transmission is only a TRD 3 speed i mean wtf.
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Newcastle, NSW
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:23
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so this will be the 4th thread on the same subject started by this guy that has been locked in 3 days...mate ur going to get urself banned from the tech secion if u cant just FUCKING DROP IT!
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:25
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Here is another "reference" to the twin injection setup, very interesting:
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Bankstown
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 01:39
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DV: Drop what, I'm not trying to make a point. And try to read all the posts instead of one.
Ke382TG: The weather is nice and sunny. I'm going to Tokyo tomorrow!
"ToyMods provides a friendly environment for Toyota owners and enthusiasts in which they can learn how to modify their car and improve their automotive skills. Flame suit required"
Anyway I have read the old thread. EFI rules.
corona: I think thats the name of the exhaust.
And the trd 3 gears, use some common sense, just a little.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:52
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the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round , round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round all day long 
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:56
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 11:39 |
Anyway I have read the old thread. EFI rules.
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Rubbish!
seeyuzz
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Brisbane
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:30
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having owned:
carbi (RA23 & GC galant & motorbike)
forced induction carbi (RA40 18RCT)
EFI (MA61)
.. and have driven numerous other vehicles (i'm over 35, so i think nearly 20 years of drivingcounts for something)
In my experience EFI is the best for reliability, power, fuel use and maintenance overheads.
Tunability only comes with aftermarket ECUs (which my humble RA40 is getting) will cover the remaining gap.
As for the twin-ECU bullshit?! - what kind of cheap crack are you smoking? that has to be some of the stinkiest bullshit i've read here in the last week.
DO the internet a favour and unlearn how to use a web browser.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:39
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the BMW ran 2 ECU cause it was easier/cheaper to treat the V12 as 2x 6cyl engines than develop a new ECU.
was nothing to do with staged injection.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:40
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| thechuckster wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 11:39 |
the BMW ran 2 ECU cause it was easier/cheaper to treat the V12 as 2x 6cyl engines than develop a new ECU.
was nothing to do with staged injection.
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The 1GZFE does the same, but its only so that if one dies, you can drive around on 6cyls for a while.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:41
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Can't we just ban this guy?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:45
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| river wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 10:56 |
Hi,
| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 11:39 |
Anyway I have read the old thread. EFI rules.
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Rubbish!
seeyuzz
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Welcome to the 21st century old man Carbs are great for nostalgia, and they're great when they're in "the zone" but they just can't cater for everything like a well-tuned EFI setup can.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:39
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 10:47 |
Refer to the twin injection thread which is blocked. Check the last 6 posts.
Installing two injectors per cylinder can require two ecu's.
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even a $200 DIY ECU like megasquirt can control staged injection
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:43
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 13:34 |
BMW 850 ran two ecus on its 5L V12, mind you it was plagued by issues of it catching fire
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actually it ran three ECU's, 1 per bank and one to oversee them both with the fly by wire throttle or some such
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:45
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| illuminatus wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:03 |
BTW Dorio86 (if that is your real name; bubbles), how long did the flight to japan take?
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i'm sure that mods could just see what ISP he's posting from
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 05:11
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dont make me lock another one...
ffs - can we keep it on track, or EVERYONE is going to get a warning
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 05:27
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| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:45 |
| illuminatus wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:03 |
BTW Dorio86 (if that is your real name; bubbles), how long did the flight to japan take?
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i'm sure that mods could just see what ISP he's posting from
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That's the proof, right there. If I was using the same ISP which I'm not.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 05:32
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| Dorio86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 15:27 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:45 |
| illuminatus wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:03 |
BTW Dorio86 (if that is your real name; bubbles), how long did the flight to japan take?
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i'm sure that mods could just see what ISP he's posting from
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That's the proof, right there. If I was using the same ISP which I'm not.
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Yeah but i can be accessing the site from say 3 ISP's uni, work and home etc.
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Re: Carburettors vs EFI
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Wed, 21 September 2005 05:33
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FUCK IT - THATS IT
OVER
LOCKED
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