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Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:35
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Got some historic questions/trivia.
First production -
MR car?
Turbo?
Twinturbo?
Sports AWD?
Was there ever a production openwheeler?
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:38
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Sports awd was the Jenson Intercepter.
Production MR would probably be a Ferrari of some sort as whilst others raced them they never made it into production.
Was there ever a production openwheeler?
Aerial Atom is kinda
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Sydney NSW
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Campbelltown
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:49
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Indeed all the yea oldie alfas, bugatti's, mercs etc racers and sports cars were open wheelers.
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 02:58
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Doh!!!!!
I totally forgot about the vintage cars being open wheelers...!
Thnx for the wakeup call.
And other info to google out of bordem hehe.
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:20
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First production MR car - the first tricycle Benz (circa 1886)aside, I think it was the Lamborghini Miura in 1966.
First production turbo - not really sure, I'm guesing the first Porsche 911 Turbo (aka 930) in 1975. Superchargers had been used in racing/performance cars since the 30's (Bentley, Alfa, Mercedes etc) but turbos didn't pop up until the 70's I think.
Twin Turbo - no idea! Probably the 911 again, when it went twin turbo.
Sports AWD - I agree that this would be the Jensen Interceptor as noted already.
These are just off the top of my head, so feel free to prove otherwise! 
Matt
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:24
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| matt86sx wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 13:20 |
First production MR car - the first tricycle Benz (circa 1886)aside, I think it was the Lamborghini Miura in 1966.
First production turbo - not really sure, I'm guesing the first Porsche 911 Turbo (aka 930) in 1975. Superchargers had been used in racing/performance cars since the 30's (Bentley, Alfa, Mercedes etc) but turbos didn't pop up until the 70's I think.
Twin Turbo - no idea! Probably the 911 again, when it went twin turbo.
Sports AWD - I agree that this would be the Jensen Interceptor as noted already.
These are just off the top of my head, so feel free to prove otherwise!
Matt
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Turbos were around well before the 911 turbo in the seventies so i would say one would of been put into a production car before then, i know porsche uses the twin turbos' on the 993 onwards i have know idea if they did befor that though, in terms of twin turbo it may well be an audi, the F40, 959 porshe, or a porsche 917 (if any road cars were produced). I have a feeling it's gonna be a lot earlier than these though.
[Updated on: Wed, 21 September 2005 03:25]
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:36
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i think the original porche boxter was mr cant remember the name.. 988 or something...
The dino was ferrari's first production road car that was mr which i believe was in the early 60's
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Sydney NSW
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Tassie
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:37
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1st forced induction car was the betley blower.
i think the 1st turbo car was a bmw i'm not sure tho
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:38
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| 4agte wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 13:36 |
i think the original porche boxter was mr cant remember the name.. 988 or something...
The dino was ferrari's first production road car that was mr which i believe was in the early 60's
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There not classed as MR but Rear engined cars you'll find, maybe the 550 spyder but even then it's really close to rear than MR
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:44
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 13:38 |
| 4agte wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 13:36 |
i think the original porche boxter was mr cant remember the name.. 988 or something...
The dino was ferrari's first production road car that was mr which i believe was in the early 60's
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There not classed as MR but Rear engined cars you'll find, maybe the 550 spyder but even then it's really close to rear than MR
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http://www.spyderclub.com/articles/spyder_history/ spyder_history.htm
click on the pictures looks like a mid engined setup to me 
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 03:56
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Not a production car as such, but the first MR grand prix car was the Benz Tropfenwagen, in 1923, but the most famous MR vehicles would be the AutoUnions, running from about 28 to 36. PS, the AutoUnion's unique design was the work of a little known engineer called Ferdinand Porsche.
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:21
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| matt86sx wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:13 |
Turbo - 1962 Oldsmobile Cutlass F-85 Turbo Jetfire and Chevrolet corvair Monza. Hard to say which was first as both are GM so they both came from the same drawing board
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:21
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Well according to the other site the porsche was built from 53 for lemans and i'm pretty sure they made it to the road as well. I don't know.
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:24
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They did make it to the road, in fairly limited numbers, but Im not sure if they qualified as a production vehicle  .
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:24
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Heres another one for you stupiest car of all time, Oldsmobile tornado came with a 350 or 400 cubic inch V8 chain driving the front wheels. 
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:41
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Toronado
toronado sorry, yes they are nutty cannonball but they weren't mass produced by GM for consumption by families, it was actually a 425ci V8 ie 7L only had 287kw can anyone say torque steer. 
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 04:43
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the audi quattro ur started the 4wd turbo revolution back in 1980 bit of topic i know 
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Melbourne
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Wed, 21 September 2005 06:14
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first twinturbo..
that would be interesting to know
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Thu, 22 September 2005 18:06
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| cannonball wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:30 |
If your talking insane, have a look at some of the land speed racers of about the 1920's-30's. Running HUGE torquey engines through pissy side mount chain drives into solid 3-4" wide tyres, side exit exhaust, with NO seatbelt, and a leather helmet. Steering wheel about 20" in diameter. Those were the days!!
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that car looks faster in reverse aerodynamically speaking
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 01:00
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 14:41 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Toronado
toronado sorry, yes they are nutty cannonball but they weren't mass produced by GM for consumption by families, it was actually a 425ci V8 ie 7L only had 287kw can anyone say torque steer.
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i got a book on old muscle cars! i remember reading fwd with a north south motor n im like wtf! some kind of weird transfer case or something but it was chain drive! purely because they couldnt fit the diff in the frount setup. engine would sit too high other wise they wouldve had to make the chassis longer to make it fit.
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 01:03
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Its fucking rediculous that the thing ever made it to production. It seriously has to be the biggest feat of america "engineering ever", so we have this ere 425ci V8, what do you think we should do with it cleetus. I know we'll make ourselves a FWD chain driven tank and sell it to unsuspecting americans.
My dads pulsar SSS gets toruqe of the line in the wet driving normally i couldn't imagine what something like that would do.
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 01:29
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Damn, I always thought the BMW 2002 Turbo was the first production turbocharged car.
Was the 89 Mazda Cosmo the first twin turbo (non diesel) production car?
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 02:00
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Of course! Thanks 'rona, should've known that one..
You ever see that beast of a prototype Ferrari made for the F40 out of a 288 GTO? I think they planned to use it for rallying, but I'm not sure as it's 3am and past my bedtime
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 03:45
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| h3ff44 wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 11:00 |
i got a book on old muscle cars! i remember reading fwd with a north south motor n im like wtf!
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actually alot of cars run in a n/s fwd configuration audi uses it in a few car the A4 is one that comes to mind
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 03:51
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| 4agte wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 13:45 |
| h3ff44 wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 11:00 |
i got a book on old muscle cars! i remember reading fwd with a north south motor n im like wtf!
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actually alot of cars run in a n/s fwd configuration audi uses it in a few car the A4 is one that comes to mind
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Yep the audi's do including pre A type cars ie 100, 80 etc, some of the old saabs as well.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 04:18
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| 4agte wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 13:45 |
| h3ff44 wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 11:00 |
i got a book on old muscle cars! i remember reading fwd with a north south motor n im like wtf!
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actually alot of cars run in a n/s fwd configuration audi uses it in a few car the A4 is one that comes to mind
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I think the Honda Legend ran a Longitudinal engine that only drove the front wheels. :S
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Toronto, Downtown
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 05:33
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did you say engine....
Displacement: 248 cc
i think my lawnmower has more cubes
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Re: Historic Q: first production MR car/turbo & twinturbo/sports awd
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Fri, 23 September 2005 07:30
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The Porsche 550 spyder still predates that and the fact that some made it to the road thus would kinda make it a production car.
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