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Glad to hear your getting better. My auntie is a bit on the nutty side.
Anyway not sure whats she takes but she has a icecream container full of all these weird and wonderful "alternative" medicine pills. She also goes on weird diets etc and has now stopped talking to us for like a year cos she hasn't been taking her proper meds for her condition.
Another note good old Barry Sheene tried the natural way to beat cancer he died within months and had a much better chance if he had of accepted conventional medical treatment but refused.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 01:38
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Holy crap dude! Looks like you are lucky to still have your eyes in working order 
Alternative medicines, well let me just let you hear about my own personal experience........
I have a problem, it took nearly 15 years for specialists to work out the problem and make a correct diagnosis. Many incorrect diagnoses were made along the way. Many conventional medicines and clinical techiniques were used. After two failed operations that were quite major I was given some drugs, it appeared a correct diagnosis had been made.
The drugs worked, symptoms subsided. The drugs had bad side effects though and could only be used for a short period, a long term use drug was handed too me. The long term one looked bad, very bad. I had been investigating alternatives, decided I had nothing to lose and tried one. It appeared to work, but I was sceptical. Had tests over a period of 12 months to confirm things were under control, they appeared to be.
Best health in clinical terms and in terms of my general well being in over 15 years Nearly two years on the alternative medicine and going strong!
So I would say that I like to dabble in a bit of both worlds and I never discount either one until I have done a LOT of research and/or tried it out. Also ask a LOT of questions before you let people phuck around inside you 
NB. Some alternative medicines are just crackpot ideas though
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Fri, 30 September 2005 01:58
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glad to see u will be ok
is there anything u can tell us that might prevent this sort of thing happening to anyone else?
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Re: Alternative Medicine
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Fri, 30 September 2005 04:18
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 11:28 |
glad to see u will be ok
is there anything u can tell us that might prevent this sort of thing happening to anyone else?
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Oooh rob heads straight for the root cause analysis!!! Nice QA approach there son! 
Glad to hear you are on the mend - it's amazing that you still have your sight/features/some hair after that!
I wonder how many people are injured each year with BBQ explosions? Stats please CoronaRT142
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Fri, 30 September 2005 04:20
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[quote title=lumpy wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 14:18]| rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 11:28 |
I wonder how many people are injured each year with BBQ explosions? Stats please CoronaRT142
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Fucked if i know go ring the bureau of stats and ask them.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 04:33
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as i understand it, Australia has developed some of the best burns treatment methods in the world. for major and acute life threatening issues, i would always turn to 'proper' medicine first.
i see there are a few sides to alternative medicine.
one, crackpots who are full of shit/faith (ie himalayan goat balls etc).
two, faith healing that does work (the whole inner strength thing).
three, "natural medicine" caused by chemicals in tese natural products that have not been picked up on by "normal" medicine for whatever reason, ie, not conclusively proven, not strong enough to be classed as a marketable drug, possible bad side-effects etc..
(anyone else tried 5HTP? available in NZ and US as an "alternative/herbal" supplement, but can have profound efects/bad side effects )
i don't know the stats, but i would be willing to suggest that the majority of useful drugs are of natural origin anyway, but have been subsequently modified or synthetically produced.
Cya, Stewart
Rona, stop answering for other people in their own thread... stop posting shit.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 04:33
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But you are the Great Dali Corona, knower of all that is knowable 
It's good to see you have such a positive attitude about the whole thing dude! *Thumbs up* So many people just go to pieces when something goes wrong like that and can be really negative.
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Re: Alternative Medicine/My encounter with a gas bottle
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Fri, 30 September 2005 04:38
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and as for urine
iirc, it's sterile (good for washing cuts and things when you are out in the bush), and the drinking thing.... i remember something about tribes doing it, but you need to piss at a certain time, ie around 2-3am, discard first bit, then collect, then discard last bit... the reason being to collect melatonin, breakdown product of serotonin etc, can regulate sleep patterns and whatever, and other chemicals flushed by the brain at the end of the day...
i'm sure there is some kind of medical basis for it, but i still won't be driking my own fluids...
if i am stuck somewhere with a bad injury, i would consider washing it out with urine tho.... (until one of the real docs says not to )
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Re: Alternative Medicine/My encounter with a gas bottle
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:26
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Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?
No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.
Patches O'houlahan.
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Fucked if i know go ring the bureau of stats and ask them.
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Rona only specialises in useless automotive stats, please remember this in the future as pointing out his inadequacies in other factual areas obviously makes him angry 
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:38
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 14:20 |
Fucked if i know go ring the bureau of stats and ask them.
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his uncle musn't be answering his phone today.
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Re: Alternative Medicine/My encounter with a gas bottle
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:46
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Last weekend I had a gas BBQ cylinder blow up in my face causing medium dense(2nd degree) burns to my face and arm.Not to mention a nice bit of shrapnel in my leg.
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Holy crap what the hell did you do to it to make it blow up?
I've got the biggest phobia of gas bottle blowing up and stuff since I was a kid, but I was assured by various people that they don't blow up that easy. But now, seeing what happened to you...  So they do blow up
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:47
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| lumpy wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 14:18 |
| rob_RA40 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 11:28 |
glad to see u will be ok
is there anything u can tell us that might prevent this sort of thing happening to anyone else?
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Oooh rob heads straight for the root cause analysis!!! Nice QA approach there son!
Glad to hear you are on the mend - it's amazing that you still have your sight/features/some hair after that!
I wonder how many people are injured each year with BBQ explosions? Stats please CoronaRT142
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Yeah not much to say really,probably suggest getting one of those safety valve things and dont let anyone near the barbie that has has stupid amounts of alcohol,not myself but the fukwit who decided to get it started only to then decide to drink more piss and forget to turn the gas off.Not sure if I went to light it or simply light up a siggie but thank god I was the only one out the back at the time..
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:50
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Are you tense Corona? You sound tense.
I have some faith in vitamins/minerals as "alternative" medicine simply because if you are healthy then you tend to heal faster/better. My grandfather took a lot of vitamins and some minerals (plus lots of sustagen gold) between bouts of chemo for lung cancer. Whilst he wasn't healed, he bounced back much quicker between bouts of chemo and his health was reasonable for a much longer period of time.
Crystals, energies, shakras you can chuck in the bin.
Urine has been used as a treatment for blisters etc - in the 1st and 2nd world war blokes (esp in russia) would piss in their boots to ease the pain f blisters (and probably reduce infections as urine is sterile). Ghandi used to drink a cup of his own urine every morning - probably why he was a pacifist as it'd be hard going to war with a guts full of piss!. Apparently some chemicals in urine also help you to wake up at the same time each morning.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 05:53
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Tense no, sick and also bored of their shit yes.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:03
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Tense no, sick and also bored of their shit yes.
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Now you know how we feel about you
You sound like you are about to snap, turn that frown upside down
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:04
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Nah just had reallt shitty sinus all day (nose continuosly dripping thinks it needs a new washer ) and its pissing me off and being at work means i don't have access to drugs to fix the problem (ie cold and flu tablets).
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:11
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 16:04 |
Nah just had reallt shitty sinus all day (nose continuosly dripping thinks it needs a new washer ) and its pissing me off and being at work means i don't have access to drugs to fix the problem (ie cold and flu tablets).
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Try drinking some of your own urine, or have someone piss on your face.
Oh and I wanna see pics of what remains of the bbq 
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:28
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back on topic, i think something many people don't realise, is that medicine is not the be all and end all, and can't cure/diagnose everything.
i'm sure in a few years, the medicine of today will appear barbaric and completely unacceptable!! rather rough and ready..
it is often hit and miss, and as with all sciences, it comes down to a "best guess" based on the empirical knowledge at the time... in that way, medicine and science in general are evolving. The human body is so bloody complex, and the chemistry alone inside is amazing! we take in random chemicals, and our cells grow new cells.. we create life every second!!
it is entirely possible that increasing intake of certain things (particularly if we are deficient in them to begin with) will assist in the body being able to cure itself... i guess in essence, medicine is simply the science of aiding th ebody to cure itself.... if you cut off a finger, they can sew it back on, but it's up to you to grow the new cells and to re-attach it to the rest of you
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:37
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aloe vera, thats the shit, but dont smoke it
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:46
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meh, most (~80%) 'pharmaceuticals' are based on naturally occuring chemicals that have been synthesised and perfected - the difference being they have had some element of clinical efficacy and safety trials before release (hence why the cost so goddamn much + ??? + profit)
no-one says alt meds dont work, they do, but its not because theyre 'natural' its because they contain some active chemical - just like off the shelf drugs. its just a bit hit and miss as to exactly whats in what, how much, and exaclty what it is and where/how/why it works.
and as a population, aust spends over 4x on 'alt meds' as they do on prescription drugs... dont tell me blackmores and the like isnt raking in the cash too 
people generally dont like to be told 'theres not mush we can offer you' - they like to feel in control, and actively doing something about what they feel is wrong with them - hence theyll pay for stuff they think might work in the belief they are being proactive - that psychological effect alone can often be beneficial...
ed
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Fri, 30 September 2005 06:49
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 16:46 |
meh, most (~80%) 'pharmaceuticals' are based on naturally occuring chemicals that have been synthesised and perfected - the difference being they have had some element of clinical efficacy and safety trials before release (hence why the cost so goddamn much + ??? + profit)
no-one says alt meds dont work, they do, but its not because theyre 'natural' its because they contain some active chemical - just like off the shelf drugs. its just a bit hit and miss as to exactly whats in what, how much, and exaclty what it is and where/how/why it works.
and as a population, aust spends over 4x on 'alt meds' as they do on prescription drugs... dont tell me blackmores and the like isnt raking in the cash too
people generally dont like to be told 'theres not mush we can offer you' - they like to feel in control, and actively doing something about what they feel is wrong with them - hence theyll pay for stuff they think might work in the belief they are being proactive - that psychological effect alone can often be beneficial...
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That sounds so much like my brother its scary
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Re: Alternative Medicine/My encounter with a gas bottle
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Fri, 30 September 2005 07:07
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aloe vera, thats the shit, but dont smoke it
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Absolutely. You have too dry it out first 'cos it's very moist. Although, I've found it too be a bit harsh on the throat.
Burner... nice to know you're okay and the burns just added to your rugged looks.
seeyuzz
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Fri, 30 September 2005 07:33
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what ed said.
psych effect is the whole reason faith healing and all that crap works to some extent. (lots of offence meant to people who believe in those tv frauds)
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Re: Alternative Medicine/My encounter with a gas bottle
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Fri, 30 September 2005 07:42
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Thanks for the best wishes guys.
No pics of the barbie im sorry it was taken by the cops to do tests,like to see if it actually blew up
As for the recovery 4 days after that photo it looks like i went to the beach yeaterday and got a bit burnt,well apart from having no eyebrows,eyelashes and a shaved head. Im in no real physical pain except for my leg where a bit of the barbie decided to lodge itself. The cream that the hospital gave me to put on has worked a treat much better than the goldan shower option.
Oh yeah,feel free to photoshop that pic aswell guys
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Fri, 30 September 2005 08:16
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Hi,
Yeah, good to know you're okay. Mind you, you might have to change your nick to bbqBurna73!
seeyuzz
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Fri, 30 September 2005 08:56
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riceburna you kent...
wtf...
glad too see joo is still alive mooley...
get well soon aye
p.s. the rona bashing continues
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:27
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time for your spongebath
WOOHOO!
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:28
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 19:27 |
time for your spongebath
WOOHOO!
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mosh girl is on her way
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:31
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it just doesnt happen stewy, just doesnt happen 
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:33
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pft
I've seen at least 3 hot nurses in my time at nepean hospital
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:36
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 19:31 |
it just doesnt happen stewy, just doesnt happen
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i dunno man, the Med-revue at Sydney uni was pretty hot .. well at least one or two numbers
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:40
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| oldcorollas wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 19:36 |
| ed_ma61 wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 19:31 |
it just doesnt happen stewy, just doesnt happen
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i dunno man, the Med-revue at Sydney uni was pretty hot .. well at least one or two numbers
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hehehe - and i had sex with one of them
greg - there's a few, notably the three 'E's of the emergency dept. but theyre awful hard work, and they know it...
the other hotties are married.
and there sure AINT any good stories of quickies in the empty private rooms
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Fri, 30 September 2005 09:46
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ah crap
emergency is where I spend most of my time, but they weren't worth *that* much effort
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Fri, 30 September 2005 10:01
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Fri, 30 September 2005 15:01
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beat me to it Mr DOHC
Aloe vera is excellent for burns! seems as if it makes burns heal 10 times quicker!
If you can get a hold of an aloe vera plant, it's the gel clear stuff inside the lead (thick bloody leaves with spikes on the sides)
Thats the stuff you want to apply to burns. My hippy alternative mum grows them becuase there so good for burns and cuts etc.
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Fri, 30 September 2005 22:57
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u mean none like this
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Fri, 30 September 2005 23:40
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pfffttt - looik at those cheap dodgy stethescopes
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Sat, 01 October 2005 03:06
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Hahahaha all gold guys!
I actually had a couple of hotties looking after me,my specialist was really hot..
I was taken to the shower one morning with 3 nurses 2 of them were pretty good and one was a minga,anyways in my morphene induced state i said
"this isnt exactly how the dream went but i hope it ends the same way"
To which the ugly one replied
"what cold wet and alone"
She so wanted me..
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Sat, 01 October 2005 06:22
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| riceburna73 wrote on Sat, 01 October 2005 13:06 |
"this isnt exactly how the dream went but i hope it ends the same way"
To which the ugly one replied
"what cold wet and alone"
She so wanted me..
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She clearly wanted you. 
When i was in ICU it was pretty shit... 90% of the nurses were average-ugly... i was in there over Christmas and on Christmas morning they forgot to get me breakfast (despite being reminded 3 times) let alone a visit from Santa like you see on the news. I was 18 but shit, Santa could have at least come past and say hi. 
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Sat, 01 October 2005 06:30
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Dont get me started on the food 
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Sat, 01 October 2005 06:36
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hrm, nepean hospital seems to serve up paletable food (never heard a complaint anyhow), and when I was in ryde hospital I got awesome food (hamburger & chips from memory).. and they're both public
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hrm, nepean hospital seems to serve up paletable food (never heard a complaint anyhow), and when I was in ryde hospital I got awesome food (hamburger & chips from memory).. and they're both public
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I was in Concord, and I tell ya urine therapy was starting to look like a better alternative
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Sat, 01 October 2005 06:51
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| draven wrote on Sat, 01 October 2005 16:36 |
hrm, nepean hospital seems to serve up paletable food (never heard a complaint anyhow), and when I was in ryde hospital I got awesome food (hamburger & chips from memory).. and they're both public
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Paletable food in hospitals? When I had my tonsils taken out, I got toast for breakfast. Stupid nurse, I could't even swallow my own saliva without wincing... how could I swallow toast??
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Tue, 04 October 2005 01:11
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Last stint I had in Hospital the last thing I wanted was some hot nurse giving me a wash in the shower. The uglier the better I thought.
I had about 40cm of small intestine removed, a cut from bottom of the sternum to below the belt line, piss bag attached , drips, naso-gastric tube etc.
I felt like shit, looked 10x worse and the last thing I wanted was a hottie nurse giving me a sponge down Keep 'em rough and ready until I'm better thanks
But hell, if I go in for broken bones, lacerations etc. hotties are fine
Food! I didn't get to eat solids for about 5 days, then jelly for 3 days. So they could have taken a crap on a bit of cardboard and I reckon it would have been tempting
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"this isnt exactly how the dream went but i hope it ends the same way"
To which the ugly one replied
"what cold wet and alone"
She so wanted me..
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That's gold!
If you made it to the beach it soundsl ike the recovery is going well.
As an add-on to my original post: the alternative treatment I am taking is being used in a number of clinical trials at the moment. I just thought rather than fark myself up with the immune suppressing drugs I was meant to take I would give an alternative a go that has no known adverse side effects All tests by the specialists have shown that I am on a winner
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Tue, 04 October 2005 01:21
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You're hot but i fink bro...
Good to see you're ok bud. Forget about that urine garbage though - turd is the way to go. I'm more than happy to volunteer if you like.
Nice pics too. Hotter... HOTTER.
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Tue, 04 October 2005 01:31
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Its a good thing to see your above ground. Could have been alot worse.
*Best wishes for a speedy recovery*
I'd stay away from the urine. It might work / might not. But you'll never live it down.
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