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IH8V8S
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4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 12:54 Go to next message

4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged[ 37 vote(s) ]
1.4AGZE GTi 7 / 19%
2.MR2 AW11 supercharged 30 / 81%

hey, just wondering what you guys think i should get for first car.
my budget is around $7,000.

any other suggestions?

thanks

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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You're asking what you should get for your first car? Honestly i would say buy a gemini or something, not a shitbox, just something that runs good and is nice, so you can get driving experience. plus your insurance for a boosted car (or any car of value)is going to be astranomical for a first car; if you can get it. Do the smart thing and wait until you are at least off your "P's"
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Like pja11sc said, don't get a boosted car as your first car. Dispite how good a driver you might think you are, you need practice. Practice in something safe not to expensive 'cuz chances are you'll crash it atleast once. I'd go for an AE82 Corolla Twincam/AE93 Corolla SX. Both good cars, FWD so a bit safer for beginers (IMHO) and the insurance wont make your arse hurt after paying it. OR you could go an AW11 N/A. That'd be cool too.

As for Corolla vs. MR2, go the MR2. The Corolla isn't gonna make much more power before you can't keep the wheels on the road. The AW11 has more room to move. HOWEVER the arse on an AW11 loves to come around and I wouldn't recomend either of these cars as a first car.

Try an N/A car first. Lots of fun, safer, and cheaper. Move to boosted once you're off your Ps. You'll have lots of experience, and more money to play with.
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well, i've been driving my parents' holden VT which is a 3.8lt V6 for about a year now and also i sometimes drive my brother's
ST185 GT4 so this wouldn't be my first time driving a car, just first time owning one.
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GT-Four, being AWD is a very safe car. They are heavy, and hold the road well. They also have a tendancy to act a bit like a FWD (as they are a FWD that drives the back wheels as a bonus). They're also a little under powered for how fat they are (sorry GT4 owners, but you know it's true). The Commodore isn't what I would call a sports car. It's not particularly prone to spinning either (unless you do something very dumb). An AW11 will snap oversteer just for the hell of it. Think about it like this, the AW11 SC will have about as much power as your commodore, only it's 300kg lighter, with an LSD. Not only that but it's MR, adding to it's arse happy fun, and it's designed to have a nice response to steering input and a tight grip on the road. This gives you less of a chance to make a mistake.

Some experience is better than none, but i'd still advise an AE92 100kw ie AE82 88kw. They're good little cars, and the AE82 will be so cheap you don't have to worry much about it.

So how long have you been driving anyway? and how often do you drive?
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Tue, 04 October 2005 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CHeck if you can insure any of them first..
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shraka wrote on Wed, 05 October 2005 00:52

GT-Four, being AWD is a very safe car. They are heavy, and hold the road well. They also have a tendancy to act a bit like a FWD (as they are a FWD that drives the back wheels as a bonus). They're also a little under powered for how fat they are (sorry GT4 owners, but you know it's true). The Commodore isn't what I would call a sports car. It's not particularly prone to spinning either (unless you do something very dumb). An AW11 will snap oversteer just for the hell of it. Think about it like this, the AW11 SC will have about as much power as your commodore, only it's 300kg lighter, with an LSD. Not only that but it's MR, adding to it's arse happy fun, and it's designed to have a nice response to steering input and a tight grip on the road. This gives you less of a chance to make a mistake.

Some experience is better than none, but i'd still advise an AE92 100kw ie AE82 88kw. They're good little cars, and the AE82 will be so cheap you don't have to worry much about it.

So how long have you been driving anyway? and how often do you drive?


like i said i've been driving for about a year now and i drive almost everyday to uni which is about a 20 min drive to were i live, work, etc.
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 01:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahhh Get the car you want man. I ended up going down the safe route and one year down the track ive reached the limit of my car's performance.

MR2's can be unforgiving if they step out but as long as you understand that and find your limit in the car, go for it!

The Corolla's are nice but you will kick yourself for doing it.

I chose a AE82 FXGT over a genuine 55,000km TA22 for my first car, regretted it ever since.
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well if you've been driving for a year that changes things a bit, but only a bit.

I'd recomend either an N/A AW11, stock SC AW11 and wait a year before you mod it, or just get a N/A Corolla and save up for a very very nice AW11. Cool
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok so they may have similar engines but they are TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARS.

I previously owned an AE82 twin cam it was a great car, and i currently own a stock NA AW11 and a hotted up SC AW11

If you want more than 2 seats and a shite load of TORQUE STEER get the Corolla, if you want a sports car get the AW11.

Take them both for a drive and see what you like.

IMO the pick for 7K would be find a good NA AW11, if you have another $1500 and you want one of the best around you can have a look at mine !

BTW did i say i hate TORQUE STEER !!!!, sorry but after owning a FWD i vowed never to own another one. I have driven some newer FWDs more recently that were alot better but you just cant compare to the driver enjoyment in an AW11 Very Happy i have owned it for nearly 16 years and i still love it Very Happy Very Happy
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
id steer clear of the mr2 for a first car.. i almost guarntee you it'll jump up abnd bite you in the arse.. and hard too. they are kinda / very unforgiving.
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i sort of agree, but i will tell you this i would much rather go into something backwards and on the throttle than terminally understeering into something Very Happy
just go to a track and experiment with the handling, do a couple of driving courses.....which ever car you get. For sure they are very different to a Corolla. They will both power off oversteer but you would have to be trying pretty hard. In my opinion harder than you should be driving on the road anyway.

just my 2c
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just a quick question:
what the MR2 AW11 a grey import to aust, or was it sold here?
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 06:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NAs were australian delivered the SCs were private imports, however there are some private import NAs that have also been complied
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
As you can see there are a few AW11 owners here to give our opinions.
However, I disagree with a couple of people who have said that you should go for an NA AW11, because this is not a cheap car to insure. an NA will cost you at least $1500 a year to insure an this would be the main reason i would say go for a cheper car, because your almost guaranteed to have an accident in the first 3-4 years of driving and not smashing up a nice car will make it easier.

i think what you should do is get a corolla, (AE82 or 92) and drive that around and get your no claim bonus up so the insurance companies dont tell you NO straight away for a better car, keep the rest of the money you have and put it towards an AW11 in a few years time.

I know the answers we are all giving you are probably not what you want to hear, but it will be better for you and your wallet. Very Happy
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Wed, 05 October 2005 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I voted 4AGZE GTI, not because it is better but simply because a novice driver would be less likely to kill themselves in it. Crying or Very Sad
In my opinion you should buy neither as a first car Sad
Not because of insurance premiums but simply because you would be best learning in a nice decently powered front drive N/A car like a twin cam/sx (ae82/ae92)corolla (decent power and fool proof handling) with it's front wheel drive you are unlikely to get into serious trouble unless you asked for it. Razz
That said i would also buy any decent rear drive N/A car of your liking (escort 2.0ltr,galant,gemini,etc) and have fun learning the ropes on the cheap for a couple of years and then invest in a forced induction weapon of your choice now that you will have educated yourself to decent level and gained a little experience.
Anyhow it is your choice, good luck and have fun. Wink

[Updated on: Wed, 05 October 2005 23:23]

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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Thu, 06 October 2005 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GUN METAL 87 SC wrote on Wed, 05 October 2005 16:04

i sort of agree, but i will tell you this i would much rather go into something backwards and on the throttle than terminally understeering into something Very Happy
just go to a track and experiment with the handling, do a couple of driving courses.....which ever car you get. For sure they are very different to a Corolla. They will both power off oversteer but you would have to be trying pretty hard. In my opinion harder than you should be driving on the road anyway.

just my 2c



he is a p plater, i doubt he will be going onto a track any time soon... or should he be driving like he is on a track on public roads

just get the rolla but an N/A one and do not modify it at all .. after 2-3 years (?) when u are off your p's get ur hotted up car with money u have saved from NOT modifying your na corolla
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Thu, 06 October 2005 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Les wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 12:28[/quote


just get the rolla but an N/A one and do not modify it at all .. after 2-3 years (?) when u are off your p's get ur hotted up car with money u have saved from NOT modifying your na corolla


yea thats what i was getting at also
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Re: 4AGZE GTi vs MR2 AW11 supercharged Mon, 10 October 2005 00:30 Go to previous message
I got an sc AW11 as my first car. Very Happy

Get the rolla, these things are vicious in unexperienced hands (I learnt that the hard way Crying or Very Sad ). Insurance companies will not even want to touch you.
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