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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 00:40
 
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It's interesting that it's based on the same layout as the petrol hybrid.
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I supported Toymods
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Thu, 06 October 2005 00:44
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best thing about that article is toyota making extensive use of aluminium... could be promising for future performance cars from toyota!
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 00:52
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my only snag is the wieght of that thing! shit!!
The body itself probably isn't all that heavy, instead the fuel cell/hydrogen systems/electric motor and secondaary battery all adding up the 1800+kg's!
I wonder how long until they come out with a fuel cell roadbike. It will have to happen eventually.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 00:57
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you'll find most modern SUVs weigh that much.. example: ford territory, Toyota prado, Pajero and pathfinder all weigh in at over 2100kgs
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 01:39
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| draven wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 10:44 |
best thing about that article is toyota making extensive use of aluminium... could be promising for future performance cars from toyota!
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'cept they'd be front wheel drive with 1.0ltr engines and weight 1500kg.
lol.
Why did they make their new fuel cell vehicle an SUV?  I hate SUVs... and now I have to hate fuel cells be association.
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 01:46
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| Shraka wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 11:39 |
| draven wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 10:44 |
best thing about that article is toyota making extensive use of aluminium... could be promising for future performance cars from toyota!
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'cept they'd be front wheel drive with 1.0ltr engines and weight 1500kg.
lol.
Why did they make their new fuel cell vehicle an SUV? I hate SUVs... and now I have to hate fuel cells be association.
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American market and the fact you need a large vehicle to stick the fuel cell shit into. The GM motors stuff is just a flat base and any body style with the same length shell can be put on it.
The germans have a few fuel cell buses running round and they work well as you have a large flat area to throw the fuel cell in.
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 03:00
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meeves,illuminatus
awesome links! it also answered my question about diesel motorbikes! (interesting to see a 700hp hyabusa on there too!)
Well i know what i'm saving up for now, i just hope they come to market soon! (electric bike that is.)
dammit we need hydrogen infrastructure dammit!
also interesting and i did not know this:
"Because of the power usability and excellent off line acceleration characteristics of electric motors the general rule of thumb to convert to petrol engines is to times by three. For example if you have a 10kw electric motor and want to compete with a petrol engine, a 30kw engine is necessary."
So that 80kw electric motor would feel more like a 220kw petrol engine. very rouph estimate no doubt.
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Thu, 06 October 2005 04:05
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thats prob at the fly wheel.
im not sure how much power is lost though the drive train of an electric motor as they dont have gearboxes.
but dont forget that from a normal wall socket u get 2400 watts only, so 80kw would be a stupid amount of power! i sort of doubt any passenger car will ever have that much power, mayb HUGE boats or trains of the future, but seems un-efficeint.
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 04:08
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| illuminatus wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 14:05 |
but dont forget that from a normal wall socket u get 2400 watts only, so 80kw would be a stupid amount of power! i sort of doubt any passenger car will ever have that much power, mayb HUGE boats or trains of the future, but seems un-efficeint.
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Hey all,
IS350 GT (220 + 125 = 345kW)
LS500 GT (296 + 147 = 443kW)
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Hmmm 125 kw and 147 kw electric motors respectively so what were you saying again.
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 04:23
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are they actual real cars?
or just drawing of future projects?? Prove it.
but i guess i did make a mistake by forgetting that there is a diff between mechanical power and electrical power.
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Thu, 06 October 2005 04:24
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| illuminatus wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 14:23 |
are they actual real cars?
or just drawing of future projects?? Prove it.
but i guess i did make a mistake by forgetting that there is a diff between mechanical power and electrical power.
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Will be real cars soon enough. 
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 06 October 2005 09:47
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*droolz* dam those cars are a wet dream.
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Fri, 07 October 2005 04:09
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| draven wrote on Thu, 06 October 2005 10:44 |
future performance cars from toyota!
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You've got hopes 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Fri, 07 October 2005 05:56
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I'm staying optimistic 
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Fri, 07 October 2005 06:03
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Well I've seen the future, and it's all downhill from here....washing machines and microwaves....  
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 13 October 2005 04:23
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Wow awesome! good find!
I must have one! must sell everything i own and have one imported asap! and make a hydrogen generator!
I'm confident toyota have some of the best engine heads in the business with yamaha behind them. Yamaha kick ass!
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Thu, 13 October 2005 04:59
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April 1985
Signed a development contract with Ford (USA) for high-performance engines.
1986
Nov..
Yamaha's first Water Vehicle marketed.
1986
Jul.
French motorcycle manufacturer, MBK Industrie joined Yamaha group.
1988
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Production of DOHC "SHO" engine for Ford Motor Co. in the USA.
Showa Works and Shimba-shibori merge, name changed to SOQI, Inc.
Jan.
Jointly developed a new car engine with Cosworth Engineering of U.K. for F3000 racing.
Interesting, and so that explians why cosworth were kick arse back in the day!
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Re: A good read on toyota fuel cell vehicles
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Fri, 21 October 2005 03:40
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The first Diesel Superbike: the Star Twin ThunderStar 1200 TDI
full specs: http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/4273/
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