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 swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Mon, 17 October 2005 12:17
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just wondering if somebody would now first hand if the 5 stud axles from a crown MS65 (any others??) will fit straight in place of the 4 stud axle that come standard with the corona mkII's.
im pretty sure, not 100% but the crown's do have F series diff's right???
so things that may need to be considered are;
-overall axle length
-bearing diameter
-major differences in the flange (NFI what its proply called) on the end of the axle where the studs sit in
- bearing retainer thickness and the 4 bolt hole pattern
any help would be appreiciated
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Mon, 17 October 2005 12:54
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Aussie built MS65 have a Borg Warner diff. Very unlikely the stuff will transfer across to a Mark II diff. The chances of finding a Jap import 60/70 series are about zero - I have seen 3 in my life and I look out for this kind of shit.
Maybe try an MS85 Super Saloon (imported) - I'm pretty sure the base models also had Borg Warner diffs as they were built by AMI.
This is why I suggested people use the much more common MS112 diffs. Discs, 5 stud and F series.
Moral of the story - Mark II diffs should be left in Mark IIs.
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 02:11
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 22:54 |
Moral of the story - Mark II diffs should be left in Mark IIs.
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Except for the ones broken/rusted beyond repair, ie most of them these days.
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 03:23
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Norbie I disgree.
| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 22:17 |
im pretty sure, not 100% but the crown's do have F series diff's right???
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He never searched. Now he wants help with his sticky situation. A cursory glance would have given him the MS112 diff solution. Another search would have confirmed what diff every Australian Crown from 1967 through to 1986 had.
| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 22:17 |
so things that may need to be considered are;
-overall axle length
-bearing diameter
-major differences in the flange (NFI what its proply called) on the end of the axle where the studs sit in
- bearing retainer thickness and the 4 bolt hole pattern
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We know what to consider, which is why the helpful advice (readily available with a search) was offered before the rare car was destroyed.
Does it sound like I'm moralizing? It should. A lack of research has landed him in the shit. He clearly doesn't listen so why offer advice?
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 04:08
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 13:23 |
Norbie I disgree.
| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 22:17 |
im pretty sure, not 100% but the crown's do have F series diff's right???
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He never searched. Now he wants help with his sticky situation. A cursory glance would have given him the MS112 diff solution. Another search would have confirmed what diff every Australian Crown from 1967 through to 1986 had.
| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 22:17 |
so things that may need to be considered are;
-overall axle length
-bearing diameter
-major differences in the flange (NFI what its proply called) on the end of the axle where the studs sit in
- bearing retainer thickness and the 4 bolt hole pattern
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We know what to consider, which is why the helpful advice (readily available with a search) was offered before the rare car was destroyed.
Does it sound like I'm moralizing? It should. A lack of research has landed him in the shit. He clearly doesn't listen so why offer advice?
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Alas he has already destroyed a much better looking car to acquire said mk2 diff to put into a very ugly model celica (come on we are being honest  )  (oh I'm guessing you told him in the first place when he was looking for an F series diff to get an MS112 one? In that case I see where you are coming from  )
As far as I'm aware he doesn't need 5 stud, but I'm guessing that like the rest of us he would like to be able to find wheels with a offset that will fit one day...
I suggest he take the MXxx diff back and get an ms112 one (also has the bonus of avoiding the wrath of dave )
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 10:06
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well thanks for the info anyway 
i did search a bit but maybe not enough.
for your peace of mind GT; the diff was a spare the bloke had who owned a MX13. he advertised the whole car for sale but i only wanted the diff. no harm or destruction brought to any MXxx's in the process
last time i drove past, he still had the car so maybe you should buy it
being where i am, rare bits and rare cars are twice as hard to come by. the mkII diff just popped up at a good price and suited my purpose. i know the MS112 diff would be good but the chances of finding one at a wreckers are basically nill, and the price of buying one and freighting it up would be very Xy. when i searched i did see that there was a fair bit of demand for the MS112 diff's but not many people seemed to have them. it would be easyier and cheaper to source a set of axles than the whole diff.
im not desperate to go to 5 stud right now either, it just would be good knowing i can simply swap it in later
seeing as i already have the diff housing made up, would anybody know if the MS112 axles go into the mkII diff housing??
thanx anyway
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 10:47
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Brett
Why do you want to go 5 stud?
Because of wheels?
If its for brakes you can use the rt142 corona rear disk setup and keep the 4 studs...
-Phil
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Re: swapping axles between crown and mkII diffs?? (4 -> 5 stud)
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:28
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| Pure_In_Sanity wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 20:47 |
Brett
Why do you want to go 5 stud?
Because of wheels?
If its for brakes you can use the rt142 corona rear disk setup and keep the 4 studs...
-Phil
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yeh 5 stud would be better because there is a much broader choice of wheels and offsets
i already got a set ST141 avante disks so im set in that respect.
| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 20:15 |
| brett_celicacoupe wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 20:06 |
seeing as i already have the diff housing made up, would anybody know if the MS112 axles go into the mkII diff housing?
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Not a hope. The MS112 diff has massive double row bearings.
Try MS85 Super Saloon like I said above.
Failing that, see about redrilling the axles. They'll be covered with a disc hat so hopefully your engineer won't see it.
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riteo thanks for that. dont think there are many MS85's wrecking up here but i did see a couple driving around. so they are 5 stud as well??
i might even have to look at re-studding the axles and redrilling the disks. just looking for a cheap/easy alternative.
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