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c'town, NSW
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 04:17
 
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word on the street is that all belt driven cammed toyota engines are non-interference
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July 2005
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 04:53
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late generation 1mz/3mz-fe are belt and interference.
there are a few execptions, these are the only 2 i know of.
3sge is chain driven - interference
3sfe is belt driven - non interference
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Sydney / NSW
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Toymods member
I supported Toymods
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Rydalmere, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 05:32
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3S-FE / 3S-GE / 3S-GTE all belt-driven, all non-interference.
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July 2005
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 07:41
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| warrior wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 14:56 |
| terra wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 14:53 |
late generation 1mz/3mz-fe are belt and interference.
there are a few execptions, these are the only 2 i know of.
3sge is chain driven - interference
3sfe is belt driven - non interference
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i dont know where you got that info from, but the source is NOT very unreliable. 
the 3SGE is not chain driven and is non interference.
Karl
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my bad.. i have no idea what i was thinking when i said the 3sge was chain.. i think i had sr20 in my head or something.
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 08:14
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| warrior wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 15:26 |
the source is NOT very unreliable.
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mmmmmmm so they're reliable then........... 
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 08:50
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Thanks guys.
Listen to this!!!
This guy at work snapped the timing belt - the celica is in at the local mechanic (only 97k kms)
They ripped the Head off it, they have some autodata mechanics book that said it can cause engine damage.
All the pistons look fine, they sent the head off to the reconditioner. Apparently they checked with the reconditioner first and he said intereference aswell.. (he could be lying)
SO now they say
$2800 for a top end recondition - with new belt and water pump.
I was there with him saying that I rang 2 toyota dealerships and both said non interference
there answer to this was "yeah theyd replace the belt then start the engine and find youve bent a valve"
I also asked how about a 2nd hand engine..they said they cant find anyplace that will give warranty. I also asked how much labour would be required to remove and replace with a new motor in ...12hours!!!!
I reckon he should get the car out of there. What should have been 300-500 or 700 if water pump done is now 2800!!
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 09:27
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i'd ask for the engine to be restored to the condition it was given to them in - working but with a broken timing belt, and only pay for any work done up until that point. It's their bad workmanship that has cost your mate a VRS kit and head-reco costs.
they're ripping off your mate and they dont know jack-shit about toyota engines. They're also lied about the reconditioner ficlaiming it was an intereference engine.
Take back the car (even if you have to get a tow truck in) and find a reliable machanic or learn to do this yourself.
If they try to claim the car is theirs until the bill is paid, call the police and make a complaint about the mechanic refusing to hand over your property (i think it comes under a category like unlawful damage as the unauthorised work has prevented the car from running) and if they attempt to physically stop you towing the car away, call the cops immediately to the shop and get them charged and arrested for assault.
If it were me, i wouldn't pay a cent and would be inclined to send them a bill for tow-remocal and repairing their bad work. Don't go for 2nd chances as they'll screw you anyway.
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 3SGE interference motor??? AND EXPENSIVE MECHANICS
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:47
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GET IT OUT OF THERE
They are taking you for a ride mate.I work in the game and while i can say that you will have bents valves ( i have only ever heard of one belt snap that did not bend valves)it would never cost $2800 to do a top end reco which is essentially a head service that is replace valves (springs will be ok) straight edge the head to make sure there is no warp leak down test ( for cracks) new head bolts ( highly recommended) and a valve regrind gasket set which has all your gaskets needed to do a top end service and of course your timing belt.Surely you can or have a mate that can pull it down get it to an engine reconditioner to get a service and then put it together yourselves. If no such luck bite the bullet and get another engine from the likes of Ichiban or a similar jap wrecker.
A lot of these other dicks seem to think that if you have a modified car or what they call an exotic car then they can take you for a few dollars.
LIKE I SAID GET IT OUT OF THERE
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 3SGE interference motor??? AND EXPENSIVE MECHANICS
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:53
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Muz speed - I thought most toyotas wont bend the valves??
This isn't modified. Its an old guy from work - his wifes car...
This definately doesn't have bent valves. These guys are phonies.
I'll make sure he gets it out of there.
thanks!
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October 2005
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Re: 3SGE interference motor??? AND EXPENSIVE MECHANICS
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Tue, 18 October 2005 12:05
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Well thats great your halfway there already i think you will get away with it being no more than 600 but man now you can surely see the shonkys out there.They look at a car and see dollars they dont take notice of whos driving it.A good mechanic is like a missus - if they are good stick with them otherwise divorce???
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Sydney / NSW
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March 2004
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Re: 3SGE interference motor???
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Tue, 18 October 2005 12:05
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| Youngy wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 18:14 |
| warrior wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 15:26 |
the source is NOT very unreliable.
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mmmmmmm so they're reliable then...........
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 u know what i meant 
i have to agree, get it out of there, it would only cost you a few hundred dollars to do it yourself, its really not that hard. these guys are like wolves.
go for it, hope u get a bargain 
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: 3SGE interference motor??? AND EXPENSIVE MECHANICS
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Tue, 18 October 2005 15:37
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If building a 'non-interference' head didn't offer some amount of guarantee (if you could call it that) that the valves won't get bent beyond use when the timing belt lets go, then no one would bother building non-interference heads.
PLus only a very slack or semi-retarded mechanic would take twelve hours to swap a first gen 3S-GE And I'm willing to put my home-mechanic credentials on the line to back that one up - 
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 3SGE interference motor??? AND EXPENSIVE MECHANICS
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Wed, 19 October 2005 12:56
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Thanks guys - The car is still at the mechanic. But we got the NRMA onside and hopefully sort this out. Atleast mabe next time this mechanic will think twice before they rip people off!!
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