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New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 06:55
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I was just wondering how many of you guys caught the news about cops now issueing a 2pt fine on cars which are noisy and people with stereos..
My opinion is as follows.
If your car is noisy at 7,000rpm so be it.. but if your driving along at 2,500 and a cop pulls you over because your young/male/car looks "hotted up", then you shouldnt be fined because your not noisy driving along like that. but if your tromping it then ou deserve it.. kinda like a car is capable of speeding but if your not speeding then you dont get fined.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 10:17
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I'm with you mine is loud as but I try to keep it quite around built up areas
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 10:27
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i agree....
i dont make a habit out of flooring my car for attention
and i turn my stereo down when entering residential areas..
its just if some cops need an ego trip theyll get you whether or not you making a racket or not
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 10:32
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just make them feel big and you'll be fine...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 13:33
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that's what I dont get
as long as your car is under the legal limits (92db or wahtever it is) then you should be able to do whatever you want... crank the music, have a BOV, as long as it doesn't go above the legal limit
not that my car is loud, has a loud stereo, or a BOV... just an opinion
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 15:55
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recon the double demerit points would apply over long weekend for loud exaust/stereos over long weekend?
anyone care to try it? 
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Western Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 16:42
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I'm cool with it if (IF!) the coppers do not abuse this power (hmmm could it be possible?). There are some real idiots out there that just do happy laps with the stereo's cranked, revving just to emit the BOV noise and generally just causing trouble. They would learn quick smart for the punishment.
But I'm feeling that perhaps the cops might use this new power to wage war on all modified cars in general. Being able to use their own disgression over what is too loud can't be a good thing.
So I guess I'm 
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 06 June 2002 23:54
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I'm the same
just because someone hasa quiet little "pshhhht" coming out, doesn't deserve a defect, unlike idiots who's BOV's just sound rediculous
I'm thinking I'm going to have to read all these laws carefully, and find ways around them.... cops have a tendency to try and defect my vehicle coz of the noisy engine (not modded, just a 22R thing)
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 00:03
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I agree there should be some laws to control stereos, more to the point, people who just drive around with their stereo cranked. As for BOV's, I cant see anything wrong with venting ones, its just if you choose one that amplifies the sound, and you go over the limit, its your problem.
As for the stereo situation...gotta love how Toyotas are so solidly built. My stereo in my car can go real loud, I'm not talking competition loud, thats just stupid. Anyway, its just as loud as my mates stereo...you can here his little Daewoo Cielo as he comes down the road and pulls into my driveway. Do the same in mine and you wouldn't here is till I pull into my carport and it starts echoing off stuff 
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North Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 07:24
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I agree but for BOV's you can't really alter them to be quiet.
The more boost you run the louder they are.
The one's that are louder are generally more effective in a performance type situation which is the usual for most car enhancements- more power =louder noise
Thats just my 2 cents.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 08:00
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Nope, there is a definite difference between valves. They are always going to be loud, especially with lots of boost, but some of them have trumpets on them for a mini-megaphone effect.
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Shellharbour
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 09:09
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agree 100%, my car is loud when I bring the revs up, when I keep em down you would think its a stock camry....... with a sports exhaust..... and extractors......
=P
the stereo rule sucks, cauz im getting my first system soon ( well HU and speakers anyway)
its stupid how they take points tho, ok, fines etc... but points display your driving abilities, just like if you park illegally, you get a fine, not a loss of points.
its stupid.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 13:34
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yeah, but their point was rich bastards were just paying the fines and not caring.
now they'll care
which suits me fine since my car still has the stock 1984 speakers 
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 13:54
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| SUPRAGTE wrote on Fri, 07 June 2002 5:24 PM |
I agree but for BOV's you can't really alter them to be quiet.
The more boost you run the louder they are.
The one's that are louder are generally more effective in a performance type situation which is the usual for most car enhancements- more power =louder noise
Thats just my 2 cents.
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um, gotta disagree with that...
- firstly, the sound of rushing air is generated by turbulance. turbulance impeeds flow, and thus makes the transfer of air down the pressure gradient slower and less efficient. so in the first instance, any BOV that make noise is less efficient at its job than a silent one.
- secondly, just repeating jcmf: if a BOV is already making noise, there's no need to add amplifying architechture to it to make it even louder...which is exactly what the manufacturers do.
my 2c
later
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Fri, 07 June 2002 22:32
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I’d love to take some of you guys to my home town of Launceston Tasmania. We have motor vehicle rules and regulation like any other state government but compared to NSW and the RTA, they are practically non existent and can only be described as old fashion. When I go home on holidays my brother and I always take his 1979 Ford Escort MkII Targa/race car for a couple of hot laps around town. We never have any trouble. The cops and general public just look at us like we need to grow up, but that’s about it. Now if we took the car for a little spin down Brighten Le Sands, the car would be impounded and the fines would be huge. The NSW cops and the RTA just wouldn’t appreciate a set of FIA 6 point race belts, 3 inch exhaust, 18 point CAMS roll cage and car stereo with 4 class A Pioneer amps and 10 speakers. It’s a real shame some people in Sydney have wreaked it for everyone and I hope things in Tassy never go that way. A lot of the young people in NSW have missed out on the good old days, so to speak. You hobby has been destroyed and it’s going to get worse by the sound of things. Who would have dreamed that a bloody car stereo could cost you demit points in 2002. I’ve been out of the car scene while living in Sydney and it’s probably been a good move. I just hope things in Queensland are not too tough, as this is where I plan to spend the rest of my life as of October 2002.
Enjoy it why you can boys and girls.
Justin
I used to get pulled over in Tassy by the young cops, but all they wanted was a good look at the car. Now thats how things used to be. Arrr the good old days! Dam I miss home.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sat, 08 June 2002 00:30
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there are still cops like that in NSW
my friend got pulled over in his peripherally ported RX-3, cause the cop wanted to know what he had under the hood, and waht sort of quarter times he did
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sat, 08 June 2002 00:53
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Justin,
It is indeed sad the way it has gone, and not just in Sydney. Down here in Wollongong, they have gone just as mad:
* No parking virtually anywhere after 9pm. Where are we supposed to park to talk with friends etc.?
* Beach roads closed on weekends so we can't hang out there. What about tourism etc. ?
* Re-paving previously straight roads into silly chicanes and in the process, removing about 50 car parking spaces.
I vaguely remember the old days (10-15 years ago) things were definitely not like this. You just can't do *anything* anymore without getting into trouble. It seems the only thing you are allowed to drive today is a stock Hyundai Excel.
Another example, last night I went for one lap of the city and passed 7 police cars, and 1 RBT station (decoy defecting station). I drive a Soarer, so naturally I have to get pulled over and breath-tested, even though the RBT station is well over-full, but hey, I drive a nice car and I'm under 25... why not weild some power and pull you over to give you a scare.
It just makes me furious... the roads are turning into some sort of communist system where we can only do exactly what they say (according to some convoluted law system about cars) and never have any fun for ourselves, regardless of how harmless it is.
Obviously there are some idiots out there who abuse the rules, and they should be taken care of, but is the majority who still abide by the law, and shouldn't have it ruined by the small minority of morons.
Sorry for the rant, but it really annoys me that we aren't allowed to have lives anymore. I was told by a cop to go home the other night because I was driving around after 9pm. What the f*** is that all about ?
Anyway... I'd better stop now before I pop a vein, or say something really nasty that I could get sued for.
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Sat, 08 June 2002 01:58
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I would like to weigh in at this point, I may move away slightly from just the loud stereo idea but here we go.
NSW is where I have grown up so I only know about the QLD or WA worlds by friends and my cousins in WA. NSW is by far one of the most regulated states in term of traffic control and infringement.
You are not able to defend yourself in anyway, that is no rader dectors can be used - Not that I amsaying go speed, nut who has not been done on the freway for only being a few clicks over the speed limit, You can roll faster than 110 down mooney mooney if you want to.
We have more fixed speed cameras than any other state, we have unmarked cars (tangent - I heard that when the German police tried to introduce unmarked cars there was a great public outcry and they backed down), semi unmarked cars with cameras that just park on the side of the road and book away.
The introduction of so many speeding cameras (Harbour Tunnel will soon have three cameras and they will not be lit up at all - don't speed in the tunnel, it's just dumb) as created discussion about fixing plates to the front of motorcycles just so those cameras can be used to book both ways!!
All these regulations are often disguised (have not even started on the modifying rules yet) as safety (some genuienly are) and hence swallowed by the public. But double demerits, bigger fines etc has not reduced the death toll at all (it has been up in the last two quarters). But who cares because it pays your police force makes a profit. That is the cost for the governemnt to run and pay for a police force is completely offset by the money that their fine machine makes.
What do you do.....you modify your car as much as possible and hide any of the gear considered illegal (after mkt computers being one on later model cars) go to track days and best of all by a scanner!
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sat, 08 June 2002 10:28
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Just for the record, I dont even have a stereo in my car.. 
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sun, 09 June 2002 02:39
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you've obviously never made a trip down to melb
a stereo is an absolute must to stop your brain suffering atrophy on long drives
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sun, 09 June 2002 03:26
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nah the first three months are the hardest without one. but after that I now get into other cars and have to turn the radio down to drive.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Mon, 10 June 2002 04:45
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Firstly, exhausts...
I heard that the dB limit has gone down to 80 something... What happens about all the exhausts that were legal under the 98dB limit??? Its bullshit if they can fine you if your exhaust complied under the old rules...
Secondly, Stereos...
I'm now really pissed off as i have spent a heap of money on a kickass system comprising of 12 speakers... It may be over-the-top but thats the way i like it... BIG BASS and a whole heap of midrange... Now these new laws come in saying that we will not only be fined, but points will be taken away... All that i can say is thanks to those morons that do their "happy laps" round and round again just to create attention... But there's one good thing... If anyone watched the news article on it, the pigger said that these laws will not apply in deserted areas such as industrial areas late at night... But then the cops will come and probably accuse us of street racing as we're out on straight roads in the middle of the night with loud cars... Its all bullshit to me...
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Shellharbour
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Mon, 10 June 2002 05:46
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fk sake is the new DB exhaust limit 80? mine JUST passed the RTA inspection... so now its illegal, and I have to change it just to get rego?
fk SAKE......
cant afford this crap
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Mon, 10 June 2002 07:20
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Redline,
i think the new limit is around 80... I don't know if yours will now be illegal... If a cop pulls you over just say that it complied with the last set of rules... I don't see why you would be made to change your exhaust if it was done before...
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Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Wed, 12 June 2002 11:56
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i think ... for starters..t he dB limit on exhusts, should be set for a given rpm... i think at the moment, it is at "significant RPM"... waht the hell is significant.... significant enough to ger the car rolling.. or significant enough to break the dB limit? Although i havnt had anytroubles with the police about noisy car, im giving it till the end of the year before i do. I am from melbourne, and i dont know of anyone that has been done for noisy cars, although the neighbours complain when me and me mates go the local servo/car lovers at 1am..... Most 'performance' exhusts sound pretty dosile under about 1/2 rpm, its really only once you rev the tits off the car do you make lots of noise, and who has the money to pay for the petrol if we redline our cars at every chance?? not me!!
I think its a bit extreame if a cars noise/stereo sound is enough to make the windows shake when they go around the corners, but yeah.. who is wanting to sleep at night these days???
P.S. i think my brake squeel in the cold would blow 80 dB's
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I supported Toymods
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Wed, 12 June 2002 13:23
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I know that problem.... the squealing of my brakes drowns out all other noise... or maybe t's just more annoying.
and that's impressive for a 22R with no cat
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Melbourne
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Wed, 12 June 2002 13:43
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i think to a certain extent those laws are bullshit....
obviously if your gonna do laps around a popular street (such as Chapel St., Melb) blasting your stereo, then i got no sympathy if your caught and fined.....this is because there are hundreds of others doing the same thing, and obviously the people who live around there or own a shop there are gonna be pissed off, because it's continuosly, every day & night.....so therefore it's understandable....
but if your just cruising down your neighbourhood street, and u happen to hav your system a little loud, then it's crap that u can get pulled over for such a thing....the most harm that can do is annoy someone for about 2 secs....because u would drive past them quite quickly and they wouldn't be able to hear much. I suppose if your in one spot for a long time and u crank your system, at an unreasonable time of the day, then i can understand people's complaints...
The whole thing is about attitude...and like i said above, those morons with the big heads that like to do laps and deliberately want to draw attention and disturb people, are purely asking for trouble.....i just would like the cops to try and make a distinction between these rev heads, and the other people who have consideration, and are just trying to hav some entertainment on the road.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Wed, 12 June 2002 13:45
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btw....i wanna try and build a sound car....hehehe 
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Thu, 13 June 2002 12:09
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Speed Demon,
What sort of sound car are u thinking of??? One with heart-stopping amounts of bass or one that can be neard for miles??? With mine, it can apparently be heard four streets away from my house... This was tested at 6:00pm on a weekday evening about 15m away from a main road... I think that was a pretty good effort  ... Whaddya reckon???
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Mon, 17 June 2002 06:00
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Hi Rolla Boy,
Your nickname sounds familiar....hav u ever been in a magazine or car show? (or hav u just ripped the nick from somewhere )
Anyway, to answer your question.....I suppose i want both....but with huge bass, i suppose u can automatically say that u will be able to hear it for miles.
Since the boot space in my car is ideal for a mad system....i'm thinking of dropping in 2 15" subs, but it's possible i might just drop in 2 12"....and if done properly with good amps, i could probably push out around 140db more or less.
But i'll probably only turn it up at shows.....i wouldn't want to drive around with it that loud. 
Wow....i like the sounds of your system...whaddya got in there Rolla Boy?
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Sun, 07 July 2002 10:04
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My one question is this:
Do these laws apply to Harley Davidsons?
if yes, I'm OK with it, if not fuck em. but I think we should actually organise some sort of formal petition or something to make sure that we are heard, not just whinge amongst ourselves because we'll never make a difference if we don't. We'll just be pushed around forever.
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Sun, 07 July 2002 10:30
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Sorry about the late reply dude... When that was done, i had 2 12's and 2 6.5" splits... The system now consists of Alpine CD player, Alpine Amplifiers x 2, Alpine 12" subs x 2, Alpine 6.5" component speakers with tweeters, Pioneer 4" splits, Stock 4" splits and Kenwood 7x10's...
Raistlin, They are trying to do something about the Harleys but i don't think they can as they are loud standard... My dad has a Fatboy with soon to be dragpipes... Thats gunna be bloody loud!!!
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Preston
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June 2002
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Re: New News: Noisy Cars and Stereos
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Mon, 08 July 2002 02:16
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This isnt so much on noise, but i've had a canary for one exhaust pipe being too low, my friend had one because he had bonnet pins (apparently if he hits a pedestrian, they'll cut themselves. I think i would have been more worried about the hard bonnet and windscreen!) and my other friend got one for his chromed window wipers being too reflective. But we have never seen one of those B&S Utes get pulled over. They're always way loud, have christmas lights around the outside of the car, and about 40 fog light up top. Its all slightly unfair isnt it???
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