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r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 08:58
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Hey everyone
I am looking for a supra 5 speed r154 steel case box. Willing to pay decent $.
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May 2002
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 09:29
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tippin you`ll need to make a new trans tunnel if your to fit that box under ya MA61 
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 09:30
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couldnt i just make the tunnel bigger by cutting it out ?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 09:42
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sure..you`ll still have to get a new one fabricated...If you want to use the R154 it`s going to cost you some big$$$
How much HP do you want and how do you intend to drive???
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 09:46
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looking at minimum 400 from a 302 v8...too much torque for a w58 i am thinking and have been told. Want something tough and robust. steel case sounds right tho. how much bigger are we talking?
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 09:54
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The R154is not a steel cased box, it's alloy cased with a steel sandwich plate. If you are worried about the trans tunnel, cut one out of a Falcon or Commodore with a column shift and cut the shifter hole where you want it. A bit a hammer and dolly work will be required to fit it in, but you will need to do this with any new trans tunnel. I took this option when fitting a celica steel case 5 speed into an EK Holden. We used a Holden HZ trans tunnel and welded it in for a neat finish.
Clint!
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 10:01
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Bottom line dude.....if you are rich then go the R154 !!!!!
If you are not rich then put a top loader behind the 302!
Either way your diff ratio is going to be all wrong!!
Which ever way you go you`ll be doing nothing but changing gears all the time.
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 10:07
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yeah, but a recond toploader wil cost you as much as the R154! You also have the problem of expossed shifter linkages to clear and keep clean so they don't wear. I know, I have both boxes and would happily go the R154 route especially having the overdriven fifth gear! Whats wrong with changing gears?!!!
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 10:16
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Top loader is worth about half a R154!Then you have the expense of putting it behing the 302!!! $$$
nothing wrong with changing gears but going fron 2nd to 5th in about 10 seconds(of normal driving) is all bad!
i`m not saying the top loader is the best option just the cheapest!......he won`t destroy it
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 12:25
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From strongest to weakest: R154, W58, W50. Their prices are 1500-2000, 3-600, and ~1-200 respectively.
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Re: r154 box needed
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Wed, 15 January 2003 13:35
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Yet another joy of living in Perth. I bought my R154 for $1300, W58's are around $200 - 400, and W50's are $200 (lots of V8 boys still chase them?!?). A second hand Toploader can be purchased complete for around $600 - 700 (or recond for $850 bare). The Falcon 5 speeds are all generally T5 based and not worth a pinch, they seem to damage fifth quite easily, are mega expensive to repair, and there are lots of different varieties not to select due to their poor power handling characteristics.
My opinion: if you want the toughest 5 speed, as discussed here, spend the money and get the R154.
Clint!
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Re: r154 box needed
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Thu, 16 January 2003 07:35
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i might have to talk to you about the parts there clint...from the other post i did...about clutch etc...Perhaps i could give you a call sometime?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Thu, 16 January 2003 08:31
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Toploader gearboxes are the strongest production built four speed in the world. Ford made them for many different applications and there are quite a few different types to consider. I had a flick through my parts today and also have a spare 11" pressure plate, if you decide to go that way!
Robbo will send you a pm, regarding contact!
Clint
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Re: r154 box needed
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Thu, 16 January 2003 09:18
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any idea if a toploader ford box wil fit in an ma16 trans tunnel? I suppose then theres the problem of gearshift location?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Thu, 16 January 2003 15:40
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I have an article regarding the installation of a Windsor V8 and Toploader box into a RA23 - they state only minor "massaging" was needed. The R154 is a wider box than the toploader, but not overly so. The MA61 has a larger trans tunnel than the RA23 (just!), so fitment shouldn't be that difficult. Having said that, if you are picky about installation like me, replace the trans tunnel with something bigger.
Also don't expect to change gears super quick if you go the toploader route, especially if you are right handed - they use two detent clips that are quite stiff when replaced while the box is out of the car (cos they're a prick to do out of the car, and impossible to do in the car!).
I stand corrected on the clutch interchangability between W and R series gearboxes - they both have 21 spline input shafts. For some reason, I thought the R154 had a 23 spline input shaft, but I was wrong - thanks for the "heads up" to whoever got me checking!
Clint!
[Updated on: Thu, 16 January 2003 15:44]
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Re: r154 box needed
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Thu, 16 January 2003 20:08
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theres a few guys is the US running round 800hp and w58's still going strong
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Re: r154 box needed
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Fri, 17 January 2003 07:48
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did anyone manage to get some measurements of a w58 and a r154 diameter etc?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Fri, 17 January 2003 07:56
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| celicamad85 wrote on Fri, 17 January 2003 04:08 |
theres a few guys is the US running round 800hp and w58's still going strong
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Yep. Russ M in his high HP mk2 went through a number of R154 and W58's and reckons that they both have the same problems.
Could maybe use the W58 out of a Mkiv? Norbie?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Fri, 17 January 2003 08:17
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is the mk4 one any stronger?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Sat, 18 January 2003 01:26
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fuck me...its a lot bigger...NICE!  Gotta love those steel cases! will see what i can do...HAS ANYONE GOT ONE FOR SALE?????
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Re: r154 box needed
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Sat, 18 January 2003 05:04
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Er dude, they're both alloy case gearboxes. The only thing that's steel is the sandwich plate.
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Re: r154 box needed
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Sat, 18 January 2003 05:39
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so where abouts on the box in that pic is the r154 too wide for the mk2 tunnel?
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Re: r154 box needed
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Sat, 25 January 2003 01:43
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anybody found one or anybody got one for sale yet?
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