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AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 18 November 2005 11:28
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Hi Guys,
I'm currently undertaking the following conversion and was wondering what things I should look out for to avoid time delays and just general advice.
How here has done one and was it worth while?
What were your dyno and drag times etc?
Thanks for any feedback!
Cheers
Daniel
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 18 November 2005 12:15
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i highly doubt you would be able to tell the difference really.
just throw some cams in your smallport, turbo it or get a RWD car.
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Brisbane
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Adelaide
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Brisbane
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Sun, 20 November 2005 11:32
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...try it. The motor will feel nice, it just wont be that quick... 20V's are not meant to be a drag motor, they're only any good over 5000rpm.
Make sure you change the timing belt and waterpump before you install the new motor, I've seen 6 different AE101 20V swaps have the waterpump fail within 6 months of the swap and it's much easier to change with the motor out of the car. The camira 1.6L gates timing belt is a perfect fit for the AE101 20V.
I've done a couple of AE101 20V swaps to SX's now, and an AE111 20V to an AE94, they were all fairly dissapointing performance wise considering the cost of the swap.
Dyno graphs from when we had a bunch of different AE9x corolla's with different motors in them on the dyno are here: http://www.twincam.org/forums/index.php?showtopic= 10946
I can't find the link to when we had almost all those cars out to the drags at willowbank, but the AE9x 20V's couldn't better a high 15 on the night, the AE82 20V's run a bit quicker due to their lower weight. The 102kw ATW AE92 GZE sedan from that thread did a pretty easy 15.1 with a ton of wheelspin, really needs a LSD to get the power down 
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July 2004
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Mon, 21 November 2005 08:32
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Fair enough.
The GZE Conversion would have cost me between $5500 to $7000 and this is only going to cost me around $3000 to $3500 and at the end of the day, I need a reliable, fuel efficient car, as I travel at least 55 km's per day and Can't afford a high petrol bill.
What mod's can I do to the 20v to achieve high 14's?
Do they respond as well to cams, aftermarket ecu and tuning like the 16v does?
Kilowatts don't mean a great deal to me traffic light drag wins, street cred and a decent 1/4 mile time do.
I've done about 50 passes at AIR, so hopefully that will help me lower the ET.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Mon, 21 November 2005 10:16
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you want 14's you should have whacked in a GZE cheap mods would have got it in the high 14's alot cheaper. I reckon it will cost you maybe 4times as much as it would have cost to upgrade a GZE to get 14's than it will for your 20v.
But yeah cams, aftermarket ecu might get you there but will cost in excess of $1000 possibly $2000 depending on which ECU you buy who tunes it and where you get your cams from.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Tue, 22 November 2005 07:27
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As I said in my previous post, the 4AGZE conversion would have cost twice the amount as the 20v one will and I won't have the engineering issues I would with a 4AGZE.
Love NA Motors and want to make this one fly, so any other suggestions would be great.
I think high 14's are achievable with the right set up and driver without spending $1000's.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Tue, 22 November 2005 08:54
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Well please if you crack the 14's with some cheap mods let me know. I own a 4age 20v in an AE92 and would love to know how to get it cracking into the 14's without having to rip out half the interior my spare tyre and stereo etc. Without using NOS as well. If it costs under $1000 i will gladly pay the money if you can produce the results.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Tue, 22 November 2005 09:47
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Did you do the conversion yourself?
What mods have you done with what results?
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January 2003
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Tue, 22 November 2005 16:06
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Nope didn't do the conversion myself i watched and helped with the moving of my engine out the 4afe and then the moving of the 4age 20v in. Only took a weekend to have one engine out and the other in I then had to send the car to a performance place to have the ecu wired up and then the car was ready to go. I then had to source a SX dash to get the 8200rpm cutoff which was restricting my cutoff to 7500 with CSI dash you should have no problems as you already have the sx dash.
Did not do many mods just a basic cold air intake with K&N filter and used my old 2inch exhaust which was on the car from before. Had the car dynoed at 69kws at the wheels.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:25
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Do you have extractors on the 20v?
How many km's has your 20v done?
on the dyno I use, I got 101.5 hp or 75.68 kmws atw for my 100kw.
The mods I had on the 100kw were extractors, hi flow cat, 2" exhuast and a k n panel filter.
They have finally got the car running today, so I will hopefully have it back tomorrow with a dyno result in hand.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:59
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Sadly to say i think you may be looking at a lower dyno reading or similar for the 20v unless this dyno is out and gives extra kilowatts.
All 20vs i believe come from the factory with extractors and yes i do have them the factory ones. When i bought the cut it had 58000kms on the dash and so far have done about 60000kms approximately. During this time have gone through 2 gear boxes on to my third now. Had to have the big end bearings replaced as they were on the way out in the bottom end luckily no damage to the crank. Blew a clutch and at one stage nearly dripped the car dry of oil as the 20vs chew lots of oil. Now use a heavier weight oil seems to help.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 06:14
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Yov've sure had a lot of problems with your motor, especially with it only having done 60,000 kms.
Hopefully I won't have too many problems with mine. I've got a new heavy duty clutch in my car already, so hopefully that won't be a problem. How old was your clutch?
Have you ran it down the strip yet?
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 07:04
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Okay well like i said 58000kms was on the engine when i bought it apparently. Now there would be 118000kms on it if 58000 was not fake.
nope no strip runs probably wont unless i mod the car.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 09:57
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What sort of car is it in?
Is your's fwd ot rwd?
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 24 November 2005 13:57
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FWD AE92 CSI rolla.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 01:38
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Have you got the lsd box?
Does your's redline at 8200 rpm?
As far as I know, my motor came with a standard manifold and not extractors, so I don't believe they all have factory extractors.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 01:38
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Have you got the lsd box?
Does your's redline at 8200 rpm?
As far as I know, my motor came with a standard manifold and not extractors, so I don't believe they all have factory extractors.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 01:35
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Have you got the lsd box?
Does your's redline at 8200 rpm?
As far as I know, my motor came with a standard manifold and not extractors, so I don't believe they all have factory extractors.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 01:49
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Yes mine redlines at 8200rpms use to only rev to 7200rpms when i had no SX dash. Installed dash and connected wire to speed sensor output which was the purple and white wire and was all good.
You sure you got a 20v motor because i'm quite sure they all come with factory extractors unless yours were taken away.
is this what your engine looks like check link
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ae10120vo riginal15tc.jpg
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 01:55
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Mine looks exactly like that.
I've just been on Twincam.org and found a lot of standard 20 valve's are getting low 15's and around 100-120 hp atws?
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Fri, 25 November 2005 09:14
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Well it's all done now, thank god!!!
I ended up getting 110.9 Hp atws or 82.69 kws atw, which isn't bad really. It was on the same dyno the 100 kw 4age got 101.5 Hp atws or 75 odd kws atws.
Will take it down the strip soon and let you know how I go.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Sun, 27 November 2005 09:25
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It did have standard extractors on it and they are 4 into 2 into 1.
What speed do you guys get up to in 1st and 2nd Gears? Please be honest?
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NSW
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January 2003
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Sun, 27 November 2005 12:10
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ist gear about 50-60 can't really remember right now and don;t want to take my car for a drive at the moment. But 2nd i can get 100-110 around there, that is pushing it to 8200rpm limit.
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Mon, 28 November 2005 11:02
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I get around 55-60 in 1st and then about 95-100 in 2nd, without hitting the rev limiter, but it sure gets there quickly!!
I'm going to take it down the strip on 17th December stock to see what it does.
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January 2003
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Tue, 29 November 2005 14:47
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Did a check tonight 1st gear 60kms, 2nd gear 100, not enough road for 3rd gear so not sure about that one yet.
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Wed, 30 November 2005 11:16
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Sounds pretty similar to mine.
When are you going to take your's down the strip?
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NSW
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January 2003
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 01 December 2005 00:45
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Not yet but will let you know if i do. I don't really see the point as i'll probably just get a 16 or something.
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: AE93 SX Seca Conversion From 4AGE 100KW To 20 Valve Silver Top
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Thu, 01 December 2005 09:19
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You never know, you might surprise yourself.
Dyno figures don't mean that much, it more comes down to the driver and set up of the car.
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