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3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 09:56
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What gearbox will bolt to my 3sge for a rear wheel drive conversion???
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 10:09
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None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it 
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July 2005
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 11:47
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09 |
None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it
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 I accidentally picked up a zoom magazine, because it had the 1JZ RA23 in it... It opened the story with something along the lines of "If you think of an engine conversion in an RA23, it is usually a 3SGTE. This is due to their low price and ease of fitment..." The rest of the article was ignored nonetheless.
On the original topic: Surely you understand the concept of searching an established knowledge base in which nothing is new. I have a spare Lada Niva gearbox available if you want. This then bolts to a propellor, and the conversion is complete...
Sorry, it's late 
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 12:11
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What issue of zoom was this? I'm extremely intrigued(sp?)!
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 13:15
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Number 89. It has HYP077 in it. Verbatim I shall quote it (in short form, so I don't void copyright):
"...If you put the words 'Celica' and 'conversion' together, most people would jump to the conclusion you are talking about 4A-GE and 3S-GTE powered RA23 or RA28 celicas. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw, as these engines are a relatively cheap and simple swap for an early celica..."
Obviously toymodder's should stop whinging and just do it...
That was the moment Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom fell down to the 'don't buy or read' level previously attained by publications like fast fours... I think I'll stick to reading SAE papers from uni 
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 21:49
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how about an old landcruiser/minitruck box?
old landcruiser = 3vz
3vz = same pattern as 3sgte
heh
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Shepparton
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August 2003
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 21:50
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| 3sgem wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 20:56 |
What gearbox will bolt to my 3sge for a rear wheel drive conversion???
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you can use either a supra g/box with a 2s/2cdiesel bell housing or a split case style with a S series bellhousing, however you will need to have a flywheel made to suit that also holds the spiggot bearing from memory. Or you could listen to everyone here and sit on your ass and not even have a go at it and then throw around pointless advise!
Trav
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 23:25
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09 |
None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it
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Really?
I've got two here right now.
6-speed manual box.
And ...
5-speed automatic box.
And as mentioned just above there's the 2S bell housing conversion option.
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 22 November 2005 23:40
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| Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 23 November 2005 09:25 |
| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09 |
None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it
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Really?
I've got two here right now.
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Shhhhhhh!
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Wed, 23 November 2005 06:51
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 2S/2C diesel out of??????
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Wed, 23 November 2005 21:45
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2S is a st141 corona engine. its a 2lt single cam S series
2C diesel is out of tarago and other jap import. Its a 2lt diesel
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Adelaide
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April 2005
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 00:36
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Cool1, are you trying to keep others from doing the same conversion that you've done so you can be special and original?
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:18
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2s is also out of the SA63 celicas
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:34
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| high_card_ace wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 10:36 |
Cool1, are you trying to keep others from doing the same conversion that you've done so you can be special and original?
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No.
He has obviously done the search thing and found that no one has done this conversion before and there is no information available.
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 14:38
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Chillax, 'yall  I'm sure this conversion will be commonplace in a couple of years. The game ones willing to temporariliy fail have paved the way, and every man and his dog is learning the tricks... Well those men and dogs willing to search are learning .
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 15:35
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It can also be done using the 2T bellhousing and T50 gearbox.
But only if you are VERY determined and have machining facilities. Like me. And I'm only a pom! And yes, it is raining!
Almost anything is possible, just look at some of the fantastic engineering displayed on this forum. It's an inspiration! Thanks again guys!
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 21:52
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I want to do a cheapie RWD conversion.
In a related but slightly hijacky kind of way, will the 2S flywheel bolt up to a 3SGE? Looking to use the Bogwarmer 5 speed seeing as you can get these for free.
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 21:53
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There is not point oin doing a 2T bellhousing with the T50 as you can already get a 1S/2S bellhousing standard on a T5o, i have 3 sitting in my workshop!!! Thats just my opinion any way.
Trav
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 21:55
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:52 |
I want to do a cheapie RWD conversion.
In a related but slightly hijacky kind of way, will the 2S flywheel bolt up to a 3SGE? Looking to use the Bogwarmer 5 speed seeing as you can get these for free.
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Dave, a 1S & 2S have a 5 0r 6 bolt crank from memory, all 3sge have 8 bolt cranks.
However it would give you the perfect template to copy for having a 8 bolt billet flywheel made up!
Trav
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 22:19
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3S vs 3Y.
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Thu, 24 November 2005 22:39
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| TRAV-KE55 wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:55 |
However it would give you the perfect template to copy for having a 8 bolt billet flywheel made up!
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Exactly what I'm going to do Trav!
Now to the second hijacky question.
Do any S series motors come with a midsump?
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Fri, 25 November 2005 00:15
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| Johnny Blade wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 09:19 |
3S vs 3Y.
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That is all well and good but can anyone please confirm if the spigot bearing is aligned properly with this set-up???
thanks
Trav
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Fri, 25 November 2005 11:16
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| TRAV-KE55 wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:53 |
There is not point oin doing a 2T bellhousing with the T50 as you can already get a 1S/2S bellhousing standard on a T5o, i have 3 sitting in my workshop!!! Thats just my opinion any way.
Trav
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That's all well and good but your workshop is 12,000 miles from England and we don't have ST141 Coronas or similar to cannibalise. Or 2c diesels for that matter.
Like I said it's a matter of determination.There's a great deal of satisfaction to be gained by seeing through a difficult project. There doesn't need to be a point, just a DESIRE!
I could easily have fitted a FORD or VAUXHALL engine and box. At times I wish I had! But the end result was worth all the heartache. I have had enquiries regarding 3SGE RWD conversions from other TOYMODS members in the UK, purely as a result of this forum. Go look at JOELS 3SGE RWD conversion in this forum for some inspiration. BRILLIANT!! First class engineering and problem solving.
Here's one I made earlier.http://ntlworld.photobox.co.uk/album/album.html?c_ album=1460235
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Fri, 25 November 2005 21:45
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3SGE RWD?????
Ok guys, nice!! Now which Supra box do I use & what are the ratios?
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Fri, 25 November 2005 21:48
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Oh crap
This thread needs to be locked now!!!! 
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September 2004
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Fri, 25 November 2005 22:36
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What they are trying to tell you is search!!!!!!! There is a thread atm which will tell you all you need to know about converting 3SGE to RWD
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Sun, 27 November 2005 10:31
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get serious and buy the BEAMS engine (3SGTE RWD) with 6 speed manual or get the G-series Supra and modify top boltholes,flywheel and throw out carrier
easy done!
wich ever way you go-big dollars
ps. i have spare lexus 6 speed box for sale and i could fit factory S-series bellhousing for you
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 29 November 2005 05:20
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hmm all i need is pistons and valves and computer.
oh and some cams.
my 3s bolts to a isuzu 5 speed.
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 29 November 2005 09:43
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| Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 23 November 2005 10:25 |
| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09 |
None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it
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Really?
I've got two here right now.
6-speed manual box.
And ...
5-speed automatic box.
And as mentioned just above there's the 2S bell housing conversion option.
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Any chance either of them are for sale? 
cheers
chris
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 29 November 2005 22:17
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Hey 3sgem I am doing this conversion at the moment . I have a 75 Gemini coupe. You can e-mail me at gem@alphalink.com.au if you want some info.Are you going to use it for the IPRA series?
Good luck
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Tue, 29 November 2005 23:02
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| gemtoy wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 09:17 |
Hey 3sgem I am doing this conversion at the moment . I have a 75 Gemini coupe. You can e-mail me at gem@alphalink.com.au if you want some info.Are you going to use it for the IPRA series?
Good luck
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Is that you Paul???
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Wed, 30 November 2005 01:30
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Hi Travis,
I see you found this forum. I am nearly finished with the exhaust.Are you building your KE for IPRA?
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Re: 3SGE RWD????
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Wed, 30 November 2005 23:50
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| gemtoy wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 12:30 |
Hi Travis,
I see you found this forum. I am nearly finished with the exhaust.Are you building your KE for IPRA?
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Good to hear, will you be out there next year Paul?? First round a Winton from memory.
Check this link out paul, i have started an thread on the new toymods forum.
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=565
Trav
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