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3sgem
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3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 09:56 Go to next message
What gearbox will bolt to my 3sge for a rear wheel drive conversion???
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it Sad
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09

None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it Sad

Laughing I accidentally picked up a zoom magazine, because it had the 1JZ RA23 in it... It opened the story with something along the lines of "If you think of an engine conversion in an RA23, it is usually a 3SGTE. This is due to their low price and ease of fitment..." The rest of the article was ignored nonetheless.

On the original topic: Surely you understand the concept of searching an established knowledge base in which nothing is new. I have a spare Lada Niva gearbox available if you want. This then bolts to a propellor, and the conversion is complete...

Sorry, it's late Wink
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
What issue of zoom was this? I'm extremely intrigued(sp?)!
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Number 89. It has HYP077 in it. Verbatim I shall quote it (in short form, so I don't void copyright):

"...If you put the words 'Celica' and 'conversion' together, most people would jump to the conclusion you are talking about 4A-GE and 3S-GTE powered RA23 or RA28 celicas. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw, as these engines are a relatively cheap and simple swap for an early celica..."

Obviously toymodder's should stop whinging and just do it...

That was the moment Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom fell down to the 'don't buy or read' level previously attained by publications like fast fours... I think I'll stick to reading SAE papers from uni Rolling Eyes
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
how about an old landcruiser/minitruck box?

old landcruiser = 3vz

3vz = same pattern as 3sgte

Razz

heh
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3sgem wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 20:56

What gearbox will bolt to my 3sge for a rear wheel drive conversion???

you can use either a supra g/box with a 2s/2cdiesel bell housing or a split case style with a S series bellhousing, however you will need to have a flywheel made to suit that also holds the spiggot bearing from memory. Or you could listen to everyone here and sit on your ass and not even have a go at it and then throw around pointless advise!
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09

None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it Sad



Really?
I've got two here right now.

http://www.billzilla.org/genfour3sge.jpg

6-speed manual box.

And ...

http://www.billzilla.org/3sgonstand.jpg

5-speed automatic box.

And as mentioned just above there's the 2S bell housing conversion option.
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 22 November 2005 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 23 November 2005 09:25

Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09

None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it Sad



Really?
I've got two here right now.

Shhhhhhh!
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Wed, 23 November 2005 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 2S/2C diesel out of??????
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Wed, 23 November 2005 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
2S is a st141 corona engine. its a 2lt single cam S series
2C diesel is out of tarago and other jap import. Its a 2lt diesel
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool1, are you trying to keep others from doing the same conversion that you've done so you can be special and original?
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 01:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
2s is also out of the SA63 celicas Wink
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 01:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
high_card_ace wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 10:36

Cool1, are you trying to keep others from doing the same conversion that you've done so you can be special and original?

No.
He has obviously done the search thing and found that no one has done this conversion before and there is no information available.
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chillax, 'yall Smile I'm sure this conversion will be commonplace in a couple of years. The game ones willing to temporariliy fail have paved the way, and every man and his dog is learning the tricks... Well those men and dogs willing to search are learning Wink .
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It can also be done using the 2T bellhousing and T50 gearbox.
But only if you are VERY determined and have machining facilities. Like me. And I'm only a pom! And yes, it is raining!
Almost anything is possible, just look at some of the fantastic engineering displayed on this forum. It's an inspiration! Thanks again guys!
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I want to do a cheapie RWD conversion.

In a related but slightly hijacky kind of way, will the 2S flywheel bolt up to a 3SGE? Looking to use the Bogwarmer 5 speed seeing as you can get these for free.
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
There is not point oin doing a 2T bellhousing with the T50 as you can already get a 1S/2S bellhousing standard on a T5o, i have 3 sitting in my workshop!!! Thats just my opinion any way.
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 21:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gianttomato wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:52

I want to do a cheapie RWD conversion.

In a related but slightly hijacky kind of way, will the 2S flywheel bolt up to a 3SGE? Looking to use the Bogwarmer 5 speed seeing as you can get these for free.


Dave, a 1S & 2S have a 5 0r 6 bolt crank from memory, all 3sge have 8 bolt cranks.
However it would give you the perfect template to copy for having a 8 bolt billet flywheel made up!
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3S vs 3Y.
http://tcs.teamymse.net/bildgalleri/albums/userpics/10036/3av4passar.JPG
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Thu, 24 November 2005 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TRAV-KE55 wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:55


However it would give you the perfect template to copy for having a 8 bolt billet flywheel made up!


Exactly what I'm going to do Trav!

Now to the second hijacky question.

Do any S series motors come with a midsump?
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Fri, 25 November 2005 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Johnny Blade wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 09:19

3S vs 3Y.
http://tcs.teamymse.net/bildgalleri/albums/userpics/10036/3av4passar.JPG


That is all well and good but can anyone please confirm if the spigot bearing is aligned properly with this set-up???
thanks
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Fri, 25 November 2005 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TRAV-KE55 wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 08:53

There is not point oin doing a 2T bellhousing with the T50 as you can already get a 1S/2S bellhousing standard on a T5o, i have 3 sitting in my workshop!!! Thats just my opinion any way.
Trav


That's all well and good but your workshop is 12,000 miles from England and we don't have ST141 Coronas or similar to cannibalise. Or 2c diesels for that matter.
Like I said it's a matter of determination.There's a great deal of satisfaction to be gained by seeing through a difficult project. There doesn't need to be a point, just a DESIRE!
I could easily have fitted a FORD or VAUXHALL engine and box. At times I wish I had! But the end result was worth all the heartache. I have had enquiries regarding 3SGE RWD conversions from other TOYMODS members in the UK, purely as a result of this forum. Go look at JOELS 3SGE RWD conversion in this forum for some inspiration. BRILLIANT!! First class engineering and problem solving.

Here's one I made earlier.http://ntlworld.photobox.co.uk/album/album.html?c_ album=1460235
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Fri, 25 November 2005 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3SGE RWD?????

Ok guys, nice!! Now which Supra box do I use & what are the ratios?

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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Fri, 25 November 2005 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oh crap Rolling Eyes
This thread needs to be locked now!!!! Confused
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Fri, 25 November 2005 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
What they are trying to tell you is search!!!!!!! There is a thread atm which will tell you all you need to know about converting 3SGE to RWD
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Sun, 27 November 2005 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
get serious and buy the BEAMS engine (3SGTE RWD) with 6 speed manual or get the G-series Supra and modify top boltholes,flywheel and throw out carrier
easy done!
wich ever way you go-big dollars
ps. i have spare lexus 6 speed box for sale and i could fit factory S-series bellhousing for you
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 29 November 2005 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hmm all i need is pistons and valves and computer. Razz

oh and some cams.

my 3s bolts to a isuzu 5 speed. Razz
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 29 November 2005 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 23 November 2005 10:25

Cool1 wrote on Tue, 22 November 2005 21:09

None. Lots of people have tried making the 3S RWD but they have all failed.
You just cant do it Sad



Really?
I've got two here right now.

http://www.billzilla.org/genfour3sge.jpg

6-speed manual box.

And ...

http://www.billzilla.org/3sgonstand.jpg

5-speed automatic box.

And as mentioned just above there's the 2S bell housing conversion option.


Any chance either of them are for sale? Razz Very Happy

cheers
chris
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 29 November 2005 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey 3sgem I am doing this conversion at the moment Very Happy . I have a 75 Gemini coupe. You can e-mail me at gem@alphalink.com.au if you want some info.Are you going to use it for the IPRA series?
Good luck
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Tue, 29 November 2005 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gemtoy wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 09:17

Hey 3sgem I am doing this conversion at the moment Very Happy . I have a 75 Gemini coupe. You can e-mail me at gem@alphalink.com.au if you want some info.Are you going to use it for the IPRA series?
Good luck


Is that you Paul???
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Wed, 30 November 2005 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi Travis,
I see you found this forum. I am nearly finished with the exhaust.Are you building your KE for IPRA?
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Re: 3SGE RWD???? Wed, 30 November 2005 23:50 Go to previous message
gemtoy wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 12:30

Hi Travis,
I see you found this forum. I am nearly finished with the exhaust.Are you building your KE for IPRA?


Good to hear, will you be out there next year Paul?? First round a Winton from memory.
Check this link out paul, i have started an thread on the new toymods forum.
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=565

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