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Mackay QLD
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November 2002
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how powerfull is your 4agte
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Fri, 24 January 2003 09:47
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I want to know the recipe of everyones 4agte and how powerfull they are.Are they built with 4age or 4agze blocks?
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Fri, 24 January 2003 13:10
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I cant tell you power figures yet because mines not finished. If I manage 130 - 140kw @ the rear wheels, I will be very happy indeed.
My recipe though is,
Series 2 4AGZE from an AE92 (dead stock top & bottom end)
R32 GTS-t Turbocharger on custom manifold
Custom Inlet manifold
4AGZE Throttle body
Modified Fueltank (to prevent surge)
Bosch 400Hp (approx) fuel pump
Factory management
Rising rate fuel reg (if needed)
full 3inch exhaust with cat and good muffler (2 if needed)
T50 driven gently until W50 Gearbox
L300 Triple core radiator with Thermofan
2JZ Supra intercooler, or custom depending on price
Many have laughed at my choice to try the factory management. If it does its job well enough then i see no point in changing it until it can no longer perform its duties. I shall however when funds allow be upgrading to Autronics SMC
Clutch, so far is just a super heavy pressure plate bolted to a FWD 4AGE flywheel, clamping a ceramic center. I am however looking into an idea someone gave me of an 18R bellhousing to W50 G'Box with custom spacer and 4AGZE flywheel (Depending how hard it is to find decent clutches in Oz).
Thats it until i need to consider something else...
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Fri, 24 January 2003 21:10
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You should easily make the power you want, the only place where you might have any trouble is the factory box of sparks - try it and see, I suppose! Add a big fat rising regulator, and you might just get enough fuel out of it.
My other advice is not to bother with the T50 - save up a bit more and stick a W box behind it from the start. As for clutches, I'm currently getting (yet another) one made, this time I *hope* I've got it right. I should have it by sometime next week, so I'll send you some pictures/info on it when it arrives if you like, and let you know how it drives. Basically: custom light flywheel, 3200lbs clamping from a Holden Rodeo pressure plate, 5 puck clutch plate.
Current clutch I'm using is 2500lbs and a full face plate on a standard 4ag flywheel - its the best one I've had so far, but not really up to the torque. I'm going to be pushing for over 200kw at the wheels from mine after I get my clutch, I'll letcha know how it works  I've only busted one engine so far 
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Location:
Bundaberg, Qld.
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Fri, 24 January 2003 21:47
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 i can't tell you my hp outputs cause i havnt been on a dyno yet..... 
you know my set-up....
but if i get the chance to come up and visit sometime warren,
we'll find out how it goes.....
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
May 2002
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Factory ECU
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Sun, 26 January 2003 12:22
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Mrshin,
Ive heard of a couple of people using the stock ECU so hopefully it should do its job (albeit nowhere near as well as a properly setup Autronic).
The main one is a green KE25 that was in Zoom's backyard blitz a few issues back. It made 159kw at the wheels with stock AFM ECU and Malpassi fuel reg. the AFR from the dynosheet stayed pretty much dead flat at (a very rich) 10.6 or so for the whole pull. So with some adjustment could be leaned out a little.
So hopefully it works for me too. But Autronic's SMC is definately the ultimate goal and will take over in a year or so.
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Location:
Mackay QLD
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Sun, 26 January 2003 12:42
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I run a 4age turbo with a stock computer so I think u are safe with the 4agze computer as mines stayes 12.1 across the board. With a malpassi. But i admit after market comp would give that little more flexability. 
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Mon, 27 January 2003 09:26
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I would imagine that you'd have a chance of getting away with the AW11 AFM management, and playing silly buggers with the AFM you might be able to achieve a reasonable result. With the later MAP management though, it might be more difficult - there would be some in it because I know they do run pretty rich at full load, but I'd want to keep a very close eye on it.
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Location:
Mackay QLD
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Mon, 27 January 2003 09:48
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I run a 4age jap import MAP computer and it runs fine.( It is a 4AGE one not a GZE one) so you shouldnt have any trouble with the 4agze one and the fact that your injectors are way bigger than my 4age ones; your fuel curve is much more agressive than mine you ll be cool.
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:29
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I'll let you know power figures in a week or so..... havn't had a chance to strap mine to the dyno yet. I'm currently changing exhaust housings from a supra CT26 to a GT4 CT26 to get boost earlier in the rev range, rather than the top end screamer I originally built it as.
I havn't had it past 12psi yet, but it will see 18-20 psi once tuned for it on the dyno.
Cheers
Phil
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Mon, 27 January 2003 20:54
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Yeasch, if you've got a totally stock 4AGE fuel system, something's either VERY lean or you're not really making that much power...
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Location:
Bundaberg, Qld.
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Mon, 27 January 2003 23:40
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last time he was on the dyno, it did 110 rw/kw...
he has recently put on a i/c (before no i/c, but it's got water/meth injection) and because the original fuel pump shite itself, a supra fuel pump...
so with some more tuning it will be interesting to see what it's putting out now.....
i have been running 12psi in mine. the motor loves it..
but my clutch doesnt like it when it goes past about 7psi..
i'm in the process of sorting out the best clutch and deal i can at work...
highway accelaration is absolutely awesome. cruiseing at 100kp/h on the highway, and if i come up upon any traffic i ease it back to 3rd, and punch it... WOW it just takes of..
i'm still to save for a proper tune-up and a dyno run, but i cant wait to see what it does.
i have slightly more go than my mate who has a aw11 aswell, he is running a 4agze with 14psi, no big stereo or bodykit. when following him i can pull up on him, but not enough power to pull out and overtake him. i am prity happy with that considering all the extra weight i am carrying...
[Updated on: Mon, 27 January 2003 23:50]
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up yours!
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Tue, 28 January 2003 02:41
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Current motor:
253.8hp (190kw) on pump optimax at the last summernats
or 340hp (unsure of the kw) with nos and avgas!
they are a strong little motor, only the pistons let them down at high boost!
I found a $300 gze at the wreakers down here about 3 years ago and ran it at 45psi giving out about 250hp. she lasted 6 months before cracking the ring lance!
The current motor is built a little diffently from the stock version.
Even though you can pump heaps of boost through them the standard motors dont hang on for too long, so take it easy or you will end up with velco engine mounts!
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Tue, 28 January 2003 05:54
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YOGI: what do you mean by "Heaps of boost"
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Location:
Mackay QLD
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Tue, 28 January 2003 08:10
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Yogi I shouldnt think that 8 pounds would be considered heaps of boost? They run that much on a standard Excel.I know of a bloke that ran 16 through a ge and had no worries so I figured 8 would be quit reliable. My fuel ratio holds 12.1 across the board gets a little rich top end but thats good and has the water also. Not expecting land speed records just fun and reliable. And it has been that.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
fairfield NSW
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: how powerfull is your 4agte
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Tue, 28 January 2003 13:02
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i'm currently in the process of building up a blue top 4AGTE (with modified fuel system and stonger clutch). would it be ok for the factory ECU to handle, say about 8 pounds of boost?
should it be ok or should i get a chip or aftermarket ECU?
i'm only looking in the area of 150-160hp at the wheels.
how do u think the stock 4AGE internals should cope?
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Location:
Mackay QLD
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November 2002
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