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302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 03:51
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Came home yesterday, and my 302 has arrived  This thing is gonna be a monster. WAtch out 7mgte and jz supras. I have decided im gonna put an auto in it. Perhaps out of a 7mgte or a turbo700 out of a v8 commodore. the manual will be hassle to drive id say. so soon enough when the engine is ready/ 5me is sold the w58 will be for sale. Will advertise it when im ready. the clevo heads are in immaculate condition, not touched since they were fully rebuilt. The ports for inlet/ outlet are at least double those of a windsor head. Came with a 4 barrel carbie...dont know i might replace it with a 750 holley...anyone got any idea how much these are? Got lotsa stuff, will have a better look today..
Blake
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Sun, 26 January 2003 04:03
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Judas!! Heathen!!!
Well I can't talk....
a non Toyo engine is going into my Sprinter! 
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Sun, 26 January 2003 04:05
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lol wats goin in the sprinter?
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Sun, 26 January 2003 04:11
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Remember those Chicken Tonight or Kan ton or some fucking simmer sauce BS ad on TV in the early '90's???
And the lil kid used to say to the mother (that was dressed like a wannabe whore), "What's the Seeklet??"
Well that is it at the moment a Seeklet 4 now!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 04:39
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OOhh ! now this conversion interests me -
A 302 clevo - with 4v heads - in a ma61?
Id love some details on how you plan to do this - seeing we have a ma61 in outr garage owned by my dad - and hes a long term ford v8 fan
His last car was a 6.2 litre powered stroked 351 in a zh Marquis .. A hella beast !
It was going to be mine - but alas power restrictions came in and i settled for the celica..
Re gearbox - why not the standard W series supra 5 speed ? you can get the bellhousings from the castlemaine rod shop to bolt the bugger in !
then all you reall need is to make the engine mounts /exhause system - fiel and electrofy the v8 - and turn some treads !!
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 05:06
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These are 2v heads.. It is a 302 windsor block - not a clevo. the heads from clevo to windsor are dramatically different. Port size etc. I need a digicam to take photos so i can keep people posted. I would expect to have the engine in the car for 5k. Doing all the work by myself with my father. V8 is easier...no computer and no electronic shit. Im in brisbane doing all this work. I think the auto box is going to be a safer and better option. Manual 450+hp v8 in a ma61 supra? Hmm...very dangerous id dare say. Plus i think id chew through a w58 box. might look at a auto tranny of a turbo supra/soarer. Or turbo 700 gm box. I have to take some measurements to see what will fit in best.
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Sun, 26 January 2003 05:13
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Ahh - cools - and really a supra box should handle 450 hp - hell they put them behind big block chevs all the time ..
the other option would be an FMX or a toploader - least they are ford boxes - easier to source bits that mine up
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Sun, 26 January 2003 05:31
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c10 would be the way to go then for auto - anyway being 19 youd be insane to have a 400 + horsepower car under you .. youd never get isurance for one - and i dont know if you have power restrictions as well
A mild 302 with c4 or c10 auto - hooked up to the rest of the gear would have that supra going hard enough thats for sure - hell if they can get 14 seconds out of an XB coupe with a similar setup - youd have a nice package indeed
As for drift - you mean oversteer - not drift - drifts a whole different page of stuff
the v8's torque would make it a taily beast ..
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 05:31
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HOLY FUCK. I just was looking thorugh all the stuff i got...those pistons r fucken huge!!! I had a 7mgte and those pistons things look pissant in comparison! NICE!!! Will keep you posted on what other goodies i find  With a bit of luck the block will arrive this week.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 07:40
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hey rob,
just thought id let you know im still interested in the exhaust and w58 when it comes out if you still want to sell it
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 07:50
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yeah mate itll still be for sale...whenever some bastard wants to buy the 5me...otherwise ill have to use it until the 302 is built. The w58 is still undecided. Im thinking ill end up putting in a ford auto box. But we will c what happens.the exhaust is still yours tho...hopefully wont be too long.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 08:00
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no hurry !
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 08:08
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thanks for that...most buyers are impatient pricks
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 09:06
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Forget about holley carbs dude....I believe you want this car engineered.....You have no option but to run it on LPG!!
You must comply with the MA61`s original standards.
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Sun, 26 January 2003 10:01
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im not too concerned about that. With LPg i need to run a computer, same with efi. But with carbies and unleaded no such thing is needed! Emissions wise we can put a cat or 2 in...so we will see wat happens. I was already given a carby with the engine so ill use it to get me started. Its a 4barrel.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 11:25
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uhhh....ROBBO.....you don`t seem to have any idea on this conversion....you can run 20 cats and you still wont pass emissions......ummmm a computer to run on LPG????.....your nuts dude ......you better do some research or your car will be a mess......by all means run a carb to get you going but don`t build your engine to suit petrol.....you will cry when your engineer tells you it must run on LPG.......which means cam change/ head work..........
not hanging shit on you dude just saying you need to do some homework!!!!!!!!
cheers
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Sun, 26 January 2003 11:53
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i dont know what the story is in melbourne but up here it is all about power to weight ratio....i have never been emission tested ever for any of my conversions but they were all pretty mild in comparison to such a large motor
i know shit all about fords but couldnt you rebuild the head with heavy duty valve seats to suit unleaded ?...
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Sun, 26 January 2003 11:59
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Another thing - am I right in saying that all Hydra Matic boxes don't have removable bellhousings? So you'd be hard pushed to stick a ford engine on one?
Also, if you want a simple package, run it either with LPG or a 4 barrel and a decent aftermarket electronic dizzy - any idiot can wire one up and I'd never speak to you if you dared to use points 
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Sun, 26 January 2003 14:57
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I think what SupraV8 is trying to say is, you can't go back in technology and get it engineered. The car came with fuel injection, you must keep this setup or at least beat it. Your backwards engineering otherwise.
Think you'll be very hard pressed to get 450hp out of it without some nitrous, a turbo or supercharger.
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Mon, 27 January 2003 00:29
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Good points all round ..
The other option if you still want a 302 - is to use a EB or later 5 litre i guess - which is a fuel injected 8 - orr get after market injection put on the one you have to meet standards ..
Better make a few phone calls to the QLD authorities regarding this conversion before you dig yourself too deep ..
On a note - you can get 450 HP out of a 302 - but it requires quite a bit of work - Ie cams - porting etc ..
The cleveland engine in my oppinion is stronger than its windsor cousin - seeings though you can stroke it easier too
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 03:02
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This is what I was saying before about having an older engine in a newer body, thats the first hiccup, then its the problem of getting it to get close to the 5ME in emissions without the use of EFI, or converting to EFI.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 03:31
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1uzfe is the easy solution
or even easier now that you have the motor, sell the supra and buy a ford.....escort ? 
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Mon, 27 January 2003 08:35
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Capri GT - ot cortina make good lighter body hosts for small block fords
Escort you couldnt steer for crap with a 302 in the front - but it would be a fantastic straightline car
you should still beable to put the 302 in the supra - youll just have to look at the technology involved - seems the other guys have made it pretty clear that carbified motors may be a no go - but a good EFI 302 - should still meet all your needs ..
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 08:51
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but to get EFI you will spend a shitload on ....
1) getting a pair of intake plenums and throttle body to suit as well as AFM, injectors etc.
2) theres a computer and then getting some prick to tune it if you cant do so yourself
3) WIRING !!!!
4) unleaded fuel or LPG, possible rebuild of cylinder head to suit
5) custom intake manifolds
and all of this dosnt include the blood sweat tears and MONEY which will have to go into the basic engine swap
dont want to rain down on your parade but it has to be looked at realistcally (sp?)....that said if you want a hand with anything give me a call 3351 0178 
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 08:58
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I'd just to re-iterate what I've said all along... a 7M swap will be cheaper, easier (by a LONG shot) and legal! It will also crap all over a carby 302 unless it's had thousands of dollars spent on it.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 11:49
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norbie you told me yourself 7mgtes are unreliable heaps of shit. I believe all you people are ONLY interested in toyota product. Supra v8 in here has a v8 carby...had any problems mate? Didnt think so...The heads are rebuilt with hardened valves and the works so it will be run on UNLEADED. If you want to speak properly and not just throw mouthfulls of shit then speak to me on a PM. Anything can be engineered if it is done properly. How the fuck do you think people racing drags can run as a street car? Ive seen a VL commodore with a 427stroker..street legal...The capri was a 4cyl originally so a step up to a v8 is a lot...from 6 to 8 in toyota wont be as bad.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 11:58
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by the way forgot to mention havent you seen all the supras around with v8s? Must be at least a dozen in NZ. I am going only for a 302 because i checked out with an ENGINEER yes and ENGINEER that putting a 351/ 350 chev may be hard to get rego because of power and size restrictions. Anyone seen the supra with a twin turbo chev v8? http://www.sdsefi.com/features/dec00supra.htm
Also Anyone seen the supra with a 350 corvette motor?
Some interesting things for you people to see. I gaurentee you that v8 aint later model than an 86.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:16
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I think what people are saying is that its not the V8 thats the issue - its the induction system
A carb fed V8 may not be allowed under your rules up north whereas an EFI one might be - this is the first thing id check out with the RTA to set up your design of attack
I see this as no different to installing a 1uzfe - or a 7m really - except the package you have is carby fed- and they are EFI
If all else fails - heres what id do if i was in your shoes - Keep your 302 and still put it in - then - try and find a set of heads and intake from an EB - EL falcon V8 - and then try to set THAT up on supra
if and ONLY if the carby v8 isnt allowed ..
heads + valves can be machined to run the Unleaded fuels - with the hardened valve seats and so on - and will run fine on it - though LPG would be a preferred option if your doing a whole kitted conversion .. the EB - EL heads are already designed for unleaded - AU or later - were Premuim unleaded fed V8's
A straight Gas tuned 302 will perform just as well - or better than a petrol verson - you just have tog et the tuning right ..
As a note i found a 225 kw rated mustang EFI 5 litre in the trady with ECU and loom for $2200 down south here, and i know you can buy crated tickford efi 5 litre motors - ready to go for about 6 grand new
in a nutshell - call RTA - find out what you can and cant do engine wise to your car - then proceed from there .. If alls good for a 302 - DO IT ! dont care what anyone else says - its good to see a different conversion going on instead of run of the mill 7m Swaps If you cant do it - Either sell the 302 and recover losses - or get it engineered into a early capri and have hella fun !
PS- the URL had an EFI 350 Chev running in that series 3 supra .
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:25
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i already mentioned numerous times the car is gonna be run on unleaded. the heads are done with hardened seals and everything. The point ed raised was about an old engine going into a new car is not ok...thats why i posted that supra.
If the carby is fine then fuck the efi. 4 barrel i have already. if it runs on unleaded emissions wont be much worse than a late model falcon.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:27
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I don't think anyone actually cares what motor you run in your car. They're just pointing out that the motor that goes in had better comply to the range of ADRs that the MA61 came out under. Sure, we're Toyota biased .
Best bet is you talk to an engineer and seek someone out who has done this before.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:33
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Relax ROBBO.........many people here may not agree with you putting a 302 in a supra but i don`t believe anyone is hanging shit on you for it.....All the above advice is good regarding emissions!......Sure i run a carb on my engine at the moment but my engineer doesn`t want to know about it `till i get it on LPG!
i`m only running a carb to make the thing driveable....nothing more!.......That`s why i hardly ever drive it..........it ain`t worth getting caught.
You can run your 302 on unleaded it still wont pass!!!!!!
Everyone is giving you good advice on emissions ROBBO but you don`t seem to understand.....I think you better get on the phone to your engineer and discuss emissions and ADR`S!!!
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:34
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Chill out dude, no-one is going to stop you from installing an old V8 if that's what you really want. If that's what makes you happy, it's fine with me. Having said that, don't ask for advice if you're not prepared to listen to what people have to say.
As for Toyota bias... this is the ToyMods forum, what do you expect?
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Mon, 27 January 2003 12:57
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And just for the records also.....
The 70's Capri did not only come in 4 cyl..
there was a 3 litre V6 version or the GT, which in my opinion was fucking HORN!!
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 13:05
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fair enough. Im just mentioning of all the people i know who have done v8 engine conversions...capris,escorts falcons, toranas, geminis to name a few have had no problem whatsoever emissions wise. they have all been engineered but have been built by the people that own them. Im sure emissions would be a lot worse if i was having with a v8 running superjuice. The 5me runs super, emissions werent exactly limited from them either...but i will have it checked out. thats the main reason im going to be running unleaded and twin cats. i am not hanging shit on toyota either...why do you think i own one? I just love the torque and tree stump pulling bottom end of the v8...sorry but not the type of grunt a 1uzfe has.
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Mon, 27 January 2003 13:20
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Robbo you got me thinking man...... when you mentioned the love of down low torque!
Has anyone ever Supercharged a 2JZ or a 1JZ with success??
I know the 1uz is easy to S/C just wondering about the inline 6 toyo engines?
Cheers
Speedcore!!
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Mon, 27 January 2003 18:57
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remember seeing a white TA22 down my way with a 302 in it. damn did that thing hammer...
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Tue, 28 January 2003 00:02
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I can't think of any good reasons to supercharge a 2JZ, unless you want to make it less powerful! A standard 2JZ has bucketloads of bottom-end torque thanks to its sequential turbos. In fact I'd like to see the torque curve of a 2JZ compared to a 302... I'm willing to bet the V8 would look pretty ordinary!
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Tue, 28 January 2003 07:45
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| ROBBO_ma61 wrote on Mon, 27 January 2003 21:49 |
Ive seen a VL commodore with a 427stroker..street legal...
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i believe VL commodore 6 cylinders were EFI but the v8's WERE CARBY ALREADY, different story there
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Tue, 28 January 2003 10:13
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Robbo the 5me was actually quite tight on emissions. Probably up there with the best seeing what other performance cars were on the market.
Seen the air injection pump into the exhaust?? Thats for emissions.
Your basically fitting drum brakes to a car that came with discs!
Have you also thought about the suspension and handling properties that were tuned by Lotus with the Supra???
It won't work very well with a cast iron pushrod V8 between the towers.
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Tue, 28 January 2003 11:17
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Hey Robbo,
Congrats on getting the 302. I think it would be a very cool conversion
Im notbiased towards anything. In fact, I originally wanted to put a 265 Hemi in my Zed. That might have almost gone ahead, problem though is that it is much more work to get an older engine engineered into a newer car. They are trying to phase out older engines, and its their worst nightmare when ppl are digging out these relics and stuffing em into new cars.
That said, I too have seen it done before, so AFAIK it is possible, but prolly best to speak to you local engineer to find out exactly what is involved.
Cheers
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Tue, 28 January 2003 12:12
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The weight of the engine wont `cause any dramas......it`s 10 kg`s heavier than the orginal but it will be set further back in the engine bay....Anyone who has pushed a MA61 hard through corners will know that they are nose heavy anyway...I didn`t notice any change in handling........
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Tue, 28 January 2003 12:53
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Nose heavy? Both my Supras were by far the most tail-happy cars I've ever driven, while turn-in was sharp and responsive. Sure there's plenty of weight up front, but the chassis is tuned to match.
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Tue, 28 January 2003 22:21
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I probably shouldn't "weigh in" to the debate (pun intended), but it seems to me that it's an awful lot of weight to put in for not much gain...unless a 302 is worked (and I mean WORKED) it's not putting out much power or torque relative to engine size (and I'm talking non-pollution gear-equipped examples here)
I'd suggest a "pollution equipped" 302 would be WELL down on a 1UZ, certainly in power output, but also in torque figures...
As for a cammed 308 beating a 1UZ...hello! Not likely, without a truck-load of other stuff done to it.
I'd suggest that, either way you're going to have to fork out quite a bit for the conversion - It's up to you as to how you spend your money to get the best "bang-for-buck". The reason people suggest the 1UZ (and that I've done one), is that all the basics are there - relatively modern valve-technology, very robust internals, good metallurgy (which accounts for it's 175Kg weight) and it is easily available and increasingly well-understood. They put out somewhere in the order of 200KW/353NM stock, and at those levels they are (quote) "So understressed, it's ridiculous"(unquote). For the adventurous, cams, exhausts and intakes beckon or, for the very well-heeled, individual throttle bodies (300KW) or forced induction (anywhere up to 500+, depending on your bank balance!)
...and all that, in something your engineer won't have a heart attack trying to get passed.
FWIW, good luck in whatever you attempt...I wouldn't go back to carby, pushrod 8s (and I've owned a few!), but if it works for you, go for it.
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Wed, 29 January 2003 10:41
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get harder suspension
and drive safe !...lol
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Wed, 29 January 2003 21:31
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the same engine as allan moffats in 1969?!?!? 
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Wed, 29 January 2003 22:07
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| ROBBO_ma61 wrote on Wed, 29 January 2003 21:32 |
biassed 99...you said not much grunt came out of a boss 302?
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I'd suggest a "pollution equipped" 302 would be WELL down on a 1UZ, certainly in power output, but also in torque figures...
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Note the reference to pollution equipped engines? No? Well read the thing again!
As for 290BHp in '69...Well, isn't that great? Pollution control? What would you need that for? No, just stick a great big straight through exhaust on it, and a nice big cam, and the hell with the emissions...
Yes, 290BHp is up on the 1UZ (1UZ is around 260 stock), but then again, we're not exactly comparing apples with apples, are we?
Oh, and BTW, do you really think a '69 pre-pollution engine is going to find it's (legal) way into your car??? Then perhaps you should re-read the comments of posters further up...If it does make it's way in, with all the appropriate pollution gear in place, I wonder what the power output will be?
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Wed, 29 January 2003 22:16
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hey guys leave poor ROBBO_ma61 alone now he obviously wants to do this conversion, alot of ppl dont agree with it and i dont either but this is his car, and hey it might surprise a hell of alot of ppl, he seems sure enough. Also ppl are saing the same things to him IE. go and talk to an engneer and pollution.
im sure he knows this now guys i think everyone should just let it be. sorry guys but i think enough is enough after u have read every single thread.
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Wed, 29 January 2003 23:35
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Go crazy! gut the whole thing, put in a WWII Rolls Royce Spit Fire Engine and strap a seat at the back. 
But seriously, if you do this and make it auto, I might be interested in your clutch/master cylinder setup, as long as I could modify it for my Cressi.
I realise I prob. can't, but looking for the relevant parts from Crwns is shitting me to tears.
Good Luck
Andrew
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Wed, 29 January 2003 23:40
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| biased99 wrote on Thu, 30 January 2003 08:07 |
Yes, 290BHp is up on the 1UZ (1UZ is around 260 stock), but then again, we're not exactly comparing apples with apples, are we?
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It's worth noting that the above is a gross power figure (given that it's from 1969), which makes it artificially high. The 1UZ's 260bhp is a net measurement, so it probably makes more real-world power than the old Boss 302.
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Ipswich
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July 2002
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Thu, 30 January 2003 03:34
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I say go for it blake.
Do it if u can. But please make it legal and safe.
So if engineer says efi then make it efi.
There are no short cuts when it comes to safety and that is what engineering is about.
Good luck with it.
Brett.
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Brisbane
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December 2002
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Location:
North Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Thu, 30 January 2003 08:43
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TT 2JZ's seriusly arn't that quick. It's like WRX's, everyone thinks they are some sort of machine.
Strap a sinlge onto the 2jz and you will begin to make a bit of power but nothing major without other decent mods.
Sorry for the side trak but I had to say it.
Go for it anyways! But wouldn't it be more fun with a laptop progrmamable ECU and fuel injection?
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Brisbane
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December 2002
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Re: 302 has arrived!
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Thu, 30 January 2003 09:10
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its not a drag car nor a race car. so laptop and all that stuff wont be neccessary. only thing ill be racing is shit like silvias and other jap crap (not toyotas ) that wants to boogie. and on the odd occasion ill run it at willowbank. a 1969 engine carbied doesnt even need a computer
Perhaps ill drag you in a year or so supragte...this 302 weighs no more if as much as a 7mgte. 460 LBS
next things is manifold. if anyone knows where i can get a "302 4 BARREL WINDSOR TO CLEVELAND INLET MANIFOLD"
if someone can help me find this it will be much appreciated...espec you wanting my box...sooner i build the engine sooner you can buy the box
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