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RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Tue, 28 January 2003 12:35
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i noticed in the controvertial RA6X conversion thread that someone said that a 5 M bolted strait up to the RA6x cross member/mounts, something along the lines of...its just like a 5 m just two cylinders shorter.
it strikes me then tthat if the chassis of the two cars are so similar, a better result could be achieved with a 1J conversion in an RA65 than an MA61, due to the fact that there is less in the front end of a celica and they weigh less overall. perhaps this would handle better with properly setup suspension than a 1J ma61. (i am aware that two extra cylinders adds some weight to the MA61) if the 5M does bolt strait up to the RA x member then that means my mounts (JZ to MA61) will bolt strait up to the ra xmember. and i should have the same amount of room either side of the engine just less up front. and if anyone wonders, wouldn't a JZ be to long i will point out that we have 1 G sprinters in the club 
does anyone have any ideas or feedback or even info on chassis similarities of the two ?
much appreciated.
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Tue, 28 January 2003 12:48
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A few points:
- The RA6x and MA6x chassis are not the same. The Supra is several inches longer in wheelbase, and the chassis rails are totally different forward of the doors.
- The RA6x engine bay is much smaller. A JZ or M series engine will fit, but not without a lot of screwing around (eg relocating radiator).
- I'd be surprised if an M series engine bolted up to an R series crossmember, but maybe it does!
- Handling would be crap with so much weight forward of the front wheels. Toyota made the Supra's wheelbase longer for a reason you know.
- The main reason the RA6x is lighter is because of the lighter engine. Put a big six in the engine bay, along with the drivetrain to match, and most of the weight advantage will disappear.
In summary, it's simply not worth the effort to put a big six in a Celica, especially when it's so much easier and more effective to start with a Supra in the first place.
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 06:52
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...and a ma60 supra goes for nearly the same price as the ra65s now, with all the better velour interior,seats and gadgetry like power windows etc
only problem is no coupe !
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I supported Toymods
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 08:55
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Hehe, why is that a problem? 
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 09:33
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there is three people i know of building a supra coupe as we speak as soon as i find another ra65 i will be another one, but this is purely just a fun car, the 22re will most likely be swapped into the supra front end until a suitable replacement can be found like a 2jz (now im dreaming, another engine project ??) as this will be a daily driver for a while
when i get pics ill post them ASAP
cheers
wayne
p.s. i will be utilising some sort of different tailights, any ideas ?...i was thinking the late 80's round style sklyine lights and a 5 inch tall spoiler that looks like a "E" on its side...though im sure everyone is about to jump in and abuse me again, each to their own you damn ricers! 
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 09:37
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Ricers? Isn't rice doing something to change the appearance of the car without actually doing anything for its performance? What performance advantage is grafting a coupe rear going to have on the car?
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 09:41
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Wed, 29 January 2003 22:58
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Err... If you were going to graft the Supra front end on, wouldn't it be easier to use the 5M-E instead of having to convert it to take the 22R-E?
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Thu, 30 January 2003 00:09
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No, its going to involve grafting a coupe rear onto a MA61...then fit the 22RE.
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Thu, 30 January 2003 07:02
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dont be upset frank just cos you are going to be the first ever to go the 1ggte option 
i would use the 22re because it is cheap on fuel and there is mildy worked one sitting here in the garage this is not going to be a car meant to go super fast, it will have hardened suspension but that is just about it
in a perfect world when i finish all my other projects i would drop a 1uz in there and leave that as a stock auto, just another custom cruiser
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Thu, 30 January 2003 07:39
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Upset? I'm not upset, just making the point that its fugly??? Why do you always have to shit stir?
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Thu, 30 January 2003 08:43
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 30 January 2003 17:39 |
Upset? I'm not upset, just making the point that its fugly??? Why do you always have to shit stir?
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and it is YOUR point
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Sun, 02 February 2003 03:10
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heres my celica with a 1jz being put into it
im taking progress shots and i will make up a web page soon that shows everything that was done down to the exhaust
http://www.naf.com.au/pub/celica/
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Sun, 02 February 2003 03:14
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what sort of gearbox is that ??
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I supported Toymods
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Sun, 02 February 2003 05:00
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22R-E is easy on fuel? dont know what sort of 22R you're using, but mine GUZZLED
admittedly the timing was a long way out and it was dying, but still
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??
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Sun, 02 February 2003 07:21
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helps if your a mechanic by trade
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Re: RA65 and MA61 x memember and chassis similarities??