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Hi everyone,
This is my first post, and hopefully I will find some rev heads here to help me out
I know that most Radar Detectors especially Bel are detectable with the Stalcar RDD, However many web sites in Australia are advertising new models made in Australia that are Stalcar Undetectable, is this possible or they are bunch of liars
I know that the Stalcar detects the leak from the local oscillator of the antena of the radar detector, which means that the radar detector has to be switched on for the Stalcar to detect it, however I was told by someone that Canberra HWP have a device that can activate the local oscillator even if the Radar Detector is switched off "is this a can be true???", they do this by moving the device around the car especially the bumper bar
and finally can I make up an electronic oscillator and install this in the car so if this oscillator issue is true then I can get around it with a good execuse that I have another device with an oscilltor
you help will be greatly appreciated
cheers
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Sat, 01 February 2003 05:42
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Install a 2-way radio and tell everyone its a 2 meter ham radio. Cops cant do shit if they find any RF oscillations when you have a ham radio.
Also you can put a sticker on the radar detector saying "Road Angel". These are not radar detectors but just receive warning messages!
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Sat, 01 February 2003 05:50
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 01 February 2003 16:42 |
Install a 2-way radio and tell everyone its a 2 meter ham radio. Cops cant do shit if they find any RF oscillations when you have a ham radio.
Also you can put a sticker on the radar detector saying "Road Angel". These are not radar detectors but just receive warning messages!
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Thanks Shane, but what is a 2 meter ham radio?? is it the normal CB radio? and is a sccanner can be of a help here to confuse the cops that I do not have a radar Detector and they just been mixed up?
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Sat, 01 February 2003 05:55
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Pretty much anything will confuse the cops  Just your average UHF CB will be enough for you to use as an argument!
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Sat, 01 February 2003 06:04
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 01 February 2003 16:55 |
Pretty much anything will confuse the cops Just your average UHF CB will be enough for you to use as an argument!
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Thanks matey, what do you think their grounds will be if they successfully applied for impounding the car to check if it has a built in radar detector "a hidden one", will the CB radio at this time will be a good decoy
cheers
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Sat, 01 February 2003 06:31
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You'll have a switch fitted to the detector anyway! Get a radar detector that plugs into the ligher socket cause your allowed to have a detector fitted in the car as long as its not connected! So when the cops come near just unplug it! But you still dont want it to be known that you have one!
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Sat, 01 February 2003 10:36
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The Police have the power to search you car.
You can be fined for 'failing to surrender' a speed detection device in NSW and subsequently fined for posession of the same.
...That's 2 fines dude!!
When i got fined in 1996 it was 954$.
As for the canberra hwp gizmo...not sure but i seriously doubt it.
As for trying to convince them it was your scanner or CB...these guys are seasoned operators, they know what they're doing. When their little RDD goes off as it passes your car...you better stick it down your pants (can only search car remember)along with the cord!!
The Police radar detector detector (rdd) picks up emissions from your detectors local oscilator. Emissions that it needs to actually pick up Radar in the first place. If your detector is OFF it emits nothing and can not be picked up.
Bel is crap in terms of it's so called 'stealth' and someone should take them to court over it.
About the only brand i know of which claims imunity from the 'stalcar' RDD is the original Australian built 'whistler'
They're on the net, if you have not seen their site already.
If you're going to buy a cb anyway then get a UHF and not the old AM unit. Most of the truckies use the uhf on channel 40, just by listening you can find out where every hwp is between sydney and the vic border in about 10 minutes!
have fun, struan.
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Sat, 01 February 2003 10:40
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Shane: don't know what state you're in but in NSW...and most other states you can't even have a detector fitted in the car regardless of whether it's switched on or not. The fine is:
posession of or operating a vehicle with a detector fitted...or something similar. In nsw, if you've got one in the car you're gone..she don't need to be switched on!!
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Sat, 01 February 2003 10:48
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this might be a dumb question do most cops have Stalcar RDD on them????? (i asuming RDD mean Radar Dectector Dectector). And arn't scanners illegal too.
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Sat, 01 February 2003 10:51
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scanners not illegal and only the highway patrol will have stalcar...and then not all of either!
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Sat, 01 February 2003 11:17
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most of the better units you can mount the unit anywhere but the sensor is on a lead to the front of the car
if i wanted a radar detector i would mount the main unit under the drivers seat or somthing under the carpet in the floorpan under the insulation, then run where's in a loom to the engine bay then hide it somewhere at the front, maybe even mount it in an old fusebox or somthing ? surely the cops wont go to that much trouble to find it then without ripping up the interior of your car ?
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Sat, 01 February 2003 11:34
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No they can only issue an infringement if they sight the unit and they are not allowed to dismantle the car. They are allowed to check in and around bumper bars and grilles the engine bay etc. It must be a 'reasonable' search. But keep in mind if you force an officer to search you car (in nsw)and he/she finds your detector you will be issued with both fines as i was talking about before.
I always thought that hiding a remote detector in an airbox would be a trick idea...you need to make sure there is no metal or metalised plastic in front of it or that will reduce the radar it see's and lower your detection range. The airbox needs to be fairly well fixed though.
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Sun, 02 February 2003 03:21
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 01 February 2003 16:42 |
Install a 2-way radio and tell everyone its a 2 meter ham radio. Cops cant do shit if they find any RF oscillations when you have a ham radio.
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hahah cool I've got an amateur radio license.. at last I can put it to good use for something!!
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Sun, 02 February 2003 03:36
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I got one too but never used it! I have to look in the call book to even find my call sign!
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Sun, 02 February 2003 07:48
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| struan wrote on Sat, 01 February 2003 21:36 |
As for the canberra hwp gizmo...not sure but i seriously doubt it.
As for trying to convince them it was your scanner or CB...these guys are seasoned operators, they know what they're doing. When their little RDD goes off as it passes your car...you better stick it down your pants (can only search car remember)along with the cord!!
The Police radar detector detector (rdd) picks up emissions from your detectors local oscilator. Emissions that it needs to actually pick up Radar in the first place. If your detector is OFF it emits nothing and can not be picked up.
Bel is crap in terms of it's so called 'stealth' and someone should take them to court over it.
About the only brand i know of which claims imunity from the 'stalcar' RDD is the original Australian built 'whistler'
They're on the net, if you have not seen their site already.
If you're going to buy a cb anyway then get a UHF and not the old AM unit. Most of the truckies use the uhf on channel 40, just by listening you can find out where every hwp is between sydney and the vic border in about 10 minutes!
have fun, struan.
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Thanks mate, Mine is built in and almost impossible to find and the car is imported and hard to dismantle, in fact in the last 2 years they detected me twice and in both occasion they found nothing, of course the unit was switched off and they could not detect shit
but this canberra incident, i'm sure it happened to my friend and the info regarding this device that can detect a switched off oscillator was told to me by the guy I bought the RD from 3 years ago, he told me that that device emmits something "radiation or so" which excite the oscillator and consequently they can detect it while the RD is switched off
has anyone heard this before?
this device never used on my car in the 2 incidents they detect it me and I beleive in the 2 incident they used the stalcar as mine is VG2 technology eqquiped
I have see these web sites that sell australian made RD that are immune to the Stlacar, are you sure that this whistler brand can not be detected? because from what I read on the Stalcar that it will detect all kinds of radar detectors
cheers
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Sun, 02 February 2003 11:44
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My brother bought a stealth radar detector in USA for $1000! Real good shit apparently that detected radars, told you what sort of radar the cops were using and would switch itself off once a radar was detected or a radar detector detector was detected! Well fat lot of good it did as he was still caught with the radar detector in NSW, $1000 fine and the detector was taken off him. He refused to pay the fine and was issued with a letter stating there was a warrant for him and he was banned in NSW for driving! He has just lost his second licence and now his XR8 is up for sale. But regardless of all the bullshit you can fit to your car has anyone thought about just not speeding? This advice comes to you from someone on his 3rd licence. Perhaps we should set up a big radar awareness network...
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Mon, 03 February 2003 12:38
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cosmic, the stalcar and the vg-2 are light years apart. The vg-2 was first intro'd in nsw in late 1990-early 91 when detectors were first banned. the stalcar should have replaced all the vg-2's by now as it's been around for 2-3 years. as you said they detected you...but could'nt find anything so they let you go....please be careful what you post up on these forums cos you don't know who's surfing them....i.e police officers.
a detector sold as vg-2 proof will more than likely NOT be stalcar proof...as many bel owners have discovered.
The other point to keep in mind (and i cannot say if this still happens, or not) is some hwy patrol were sprung using 'non-approved' devices to detect radar detectors.
what were they using?
they were using confiscated radar detectors!!!
because nearly all of the U.S. made stuff had x/k/ka bands (all states here use K band and west australian uses some ka band cameras) certain models would false another model of detector because of their l/o tuning and 'alert' the operator to the presence of another detector.
i beleive this is how i was nailed but can't prove that for certain.
as for the oscillator exciter gizmo, i suggest you email creative electronics and ask them...australian radar detection services...(www.australianradar.com.au) i think they are and talk to them about the gizmo. these guys are pretty switched on ...excuse the pun...and will know if such a gizmo exists.
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Wed, 05 February 2003 05:41
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| struan wrote on Mon, 03 February 2003 23:38 |
cosmic, the stalcar and the vg-2 are light years apart. The vg-2 was first intro'd in nsw in late 1990-early 91 when detectors were first banned. the stalcar should have replaced all the vg-2's by now as it's been around for 2-3 years. as you said they detected you...but could'nt find anything so they let you go....please be careful what you post up on these forums cos you don't know who's surfing them....i.e police officers.
a detector sold as vg-2 proof will more than likely NOT be stalcar proof...as many bel owners have discovered.
The other point to keep in mind (and i cannot say if this still happens, or not) is some hwy patrol were sprung using 'non-approved' devices to detect radar detectors.
what were they using?
they were using confiscated radar detectors!!!
because nearly all of the U.S. made stuff had x/k/ka bands (all states here use K band and west australian uses some ka band cameras) certain models would false another model of detector because of their l/o tuning and 'alert' the operator to the presence of another detector.
i beleive this is how i was nailed but can't prove that for certain.
as for the oscillator exciter gizmo, i suggest you email creative electronics and ask them...australian radar detection services...(www.australianradar.com.au) i think they are and talk to them about the gizmo. these guys are pretty switched on ...excuse the pun...and will know if such a gizmo exists.
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Thanks struan, I sent a second email, but no reply yet, hopfully they do not think I'm an undercover asshole
cheers
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Thu, 06 February 2003 04:06
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One problem with hiding the unit is that if the cops cant find the unit but know its there somewhere theyll probly get vindictive and find something they can defect your car for. 
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Thu, 06 February 2003 08:08
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| 7mgte83 wrote on Thu, 06 February 2003 15:06 |
One problem with hiding the unit is that if the cops cant find the unit but know its there somewhere theyll probly get vindictive and find something they can defect your car for.
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Then what will be their choices if the car is always imaculate??, also when stopped the RD will be off anyway,
also there is a difference between an on dash hidden RD and a builtin RD that is already hidden
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Sat, 08 February 2003 08:41
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If you piss cops off enough they will defect your car for something. Ive heard of cops defecting new cars when in a shitty mood. (In a thread I read the other day someone said a mate was defected for a cracked battery bracket)
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Sun, 09 February 2003 00:36
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| 7mgte83 wrote on Sat, 08 February 2003 19:41 |
If you piss cops off enough they will defect your car for something. Ive heard of cops defecting new cars when in a shitty mood. (In a thread I read the other day someone said a mate was defected for a cracked battery bracket)
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Hi,
I agree with you however, I have a long story that could not be posted for discretion, and to start with the NSW HWP not just pissed off me enough rather more than enough
I had a court battle for 18 months with them and sure are pissed off, no details can be posted for confidentiality
I reckon most HWP know me and for sure know the 2 sports car that I have and they know that I'm highly educated and have all the technical and legal knowledge to chalange them in any minor traffic offense they can give me and can easily expose their unproffisionalism, corruption and lies if this is the case
In fact they know that I can deploy all their speed measurment equipment better than anyone in the department
I possess all the Radar engineering unit guidlines and deployment for the laser and radar based speed measurment devices the NSW use, in addition to the manufactuer manuals for their kostome pro laser, all these vauable documents was optained legally and they can easily kiss my arse
Look I appreciate your advice, however I can assure you that I'm always one step if not two ahead of them because I have no respect to them what so ever as I know very well who they are and they know that I know that, the fact the majority are crooks
Do not think I'm an ex convict or so, I'm a married proffisional father and all my law violations are a few speeding fines and I have nothing to hide, even the RD because my car does not have one, a radar detector will only help about 25% in dodging a speeding fine and the rest is your awarness and my awarness is very high
My car does not have a crack almost brand new despite its 185,000 km on the clock, very impressive, dare they defect it, in fact I hope they do so I can add more evidence to the pile of evidences that I have waiting one day to go public and quite possibly a civil court case
my car is always equiped with a video camera, a camera and a tape recorder, what they will plan for me when they pull me over will be recorded after their consent will be taken and recorded
It is a war that is going since 2000 and I have all the determination to fuck those bustards if they try and fuck around with me
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Sun, 09 February 2003 06:31
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Its an expensive game, and what ever detector you have they'll always have something newer to detect the detector.
Just don't draw attention to yourself and you're golden.
And be polite to the police, if you get a nice one sometimes they'll let you off or with a lower fine  Well here in QLD anyway.
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Sun, 09 February 2003 22:41
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Not the case unfortunatly in NSW however, your race, name and colour will always be a factor for the cop to let you go or fine you,
I always start polite and professional but then I will sense their intensions towards me then become more aggrissive politly when I know they will never let it go, however, my attitude with speeding is deny, deny and deny
in an incident 10 days ago, I had my family with me in the car and after doing a right turn "not allowed" then speeding to 75 in 60 I found a copper behind me they were following me for a distance to confirm my speed as they did not have a radar but I noticed them quickly and put my speed down to 60 which intiated them to flash the light and pull me over
she asked me do you know why I stopped you?, I replied I have no idea
she then told me you did an illegal right turn and I followed you for a minimum of 100 meters and you were doing 75
I did not respond to the illegal right turn but denied totally the speed and added I have a witness who was sitting next to me and then added to her I was driving using the cruise control would you like to test it??
she declined and replied do not be smart and if you admit your guilt I will let you go with a warning
No way I will admitt and my reply was look officer it looks like you are one of the nicest officers I have ever met, she wondered a bit and I replied I'm noy sucking at and she just breath tested me and let me go with no fines
every incident is different and I'm very well at this it is a study that I have done over 2 and half years
look in another danger situation they stopped me for a RD and he asked me if I have one, denial was the answer and he threaten to search the car and my reply was if this what you have to do, then do it I'm giving you my consent, his action was to let me go without searching the car as there are too much to search
It is a cold war and I'm very happy with the experience I'm getting to prevent them taking my money easily
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From my limited experience of two years of haveing my licence I agree with Olly. Ive talked to the coppers twice in that time once when at an RBT for not having a rear P plate And another time when pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt (didnt have any P plates up or licence on me). I managed to get off with a warning both times by being polite and apologetic.
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The first and only time I have been caught speeding (strange really) was when I was on my P's I was just keeping up with traffic not hooning or anything. 75 in a 60 on kingsford smith drive in Brisbane (those who know it will know what its like) A ute flashed his lights at me telling me police were ahead, but because the road is so straight they caught me half a km away with a radar.
Here is a transcript.
"Hello sir, you have been pulled over for travelling over the speed limit" *shows radar showing 75.2km/hr* "Is there any reason why you were travelling at this speed"
"No"
"May I please see your liscence Sir?" *I hand it over* "I will have to issue you a speeding fine"
"Okay"
*writes out ticket and gives it to me* "If you wish to contest this fine Just follow the instructions here on the back" *points it out and makes sure I understand it* "You may go, drive safely"
"Okay, thankyou officer"
I paid the fine the same day, no hassle, no nastiness, no confrontation, no patronizing, Just $150 poorer and 3 points less.
Strange thing is I didn't really change my habits and lasted for over a year on that 1 point. Now on my opens
I think police cop (no pun) enough flak as it is.
If you have to deal with a nasty one just remain impartial and polite.
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Wed, 12 February 2003 23:59
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Radar detectors do not detect laser speed detectors anyway, so there s no point.
Most camera vans (in Qld anyway) use laser.
i find it easier to have a police scanner and a uhf set.
listen to the cops and know where they are, or ask a truckie when you strat a drive if anyone knows where they are.
you can have a police scanner so long as you do not use it to commit a crime, so if you are pulled over and they question you, either switch it off, and stach it under a seat, or say, If i was using it to commit an offence, I would not have been near you...
But it is always easier to just obay the laws....????!!!(yeah right)
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Thu, 13 February 2003 01:34
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/rant
Wouldnt it be better just not to speed ?? Sure as hell cheaper that way .. 
theres places called racetracks for over 100KMH fun .. and they have these lovely things called sandtraps that catch you from spearing off into walls of you make a mistake !
Sure as hell would prefer car full of sand from 100 + kmh then a car full of people parts thru my winscreen or an assisted areal trip thru said windscreen when someone pulls out in front of you
/end rant
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Thu, 13 February 2003 02:19
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Depends on your definition of speeding...
Driving on a long flat three lane carriageway at 160km/h is a lot more safe in my eyes than sitting on 110km/h bored out of your brain. The fact that you constantly have to take your eyes off the road to ensure you're not "speeding" makes it even more unsafe.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 02:28
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Hi,
With my respect to members who oppose speeding, my opinion is quite the oppiste as I found it damn hard not to speed, only managable at school zones but in other zones it is hard, that should not be surprising because 80% of all drivers around the world speeds so I'm just one of those 80% however I'm totally against abusing speeding so my way is 20 to 30 km/h more at the max, and if you have many years of driving and a perfect car then why not being of those 80% and my speeding always for a purpose not for fun
The problem here that the goverments are aware of that and delibertly made these strict rules to raise money for the states and amzingly in a recent issue of the telegraph, a new plan was put in place to use the speeding fines money to fund police officers superanuations what a joke
I thought using these unrealstic fines "compared to incomes" to improve our roads safety only will be will spent but they just blame evrery accident on speeding if not anyother reason was determined and mostly it is a driver error under normal circumstances
and what make it more bad that the majority of those so called HWP officers are not comptent enough to test and deploy the high tech equipment they spent a lot of money on they just were not given enough traininbg, it is a standard procedure that you get caught with a HWP who is using a high tech equipment and he tested damn right so the defendent can not dispute it and the money goes to bank but what is not standard is to fight every fine and clog the court system to send the message
a cat and mouse game as it seems to me and will continue on in every country that is the game
cheers
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Thu, 13 February 2003 02:30
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 13:19 |
Depends on your definition of speeding...
Driving on a long flat three lane carriageway at 160km/h is a lot more safe in my eyes than sitting on 110km/h bored out of your brain. The fact that you constantly have to take your eyes off the road to ensure you're not "speeding" makes it even more unsafe.
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If your car is good and your driving skills are high then why not, it saves time and makes aware all the way because of the little adrinalin rush you get from speeding
cheers
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Thu, 13 February 2003 03:53
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I know of someone...who rode a CBR1100XX from (deleted) to Adelaide.
Anyway, this someone found that, if he were to travel at 110KP/H, he/she would have fallen asleep (thus the myriad of "rest" stops positioned along the way).
This person regularly found him/herself travelling at a mild (for the machine/rider in question) 180KP/H.
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Thu, 13 February 2003 04:14
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hehe A Super Blackbird doing 180km/h is prolly just off idle in 6th gear.....
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Thu, 13 February 2003 11:24
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I won't get stuck into 'speeding' just for the moment, as I tend to get myself going on at length, and my keyboard has not the patience to withstand such an onslaught...
Speaking of Adelaide, that freeway is sure a good little place Every time I've been down it I've managed to escape being booked too! It really DOES ask for you to push the foot down just a little...
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Thu, 13 February 2003 12:28
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| cosmic wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 12:30 |
If your car is good and your driving skills are high then why not, it saves time and makes aware all the way because of the little adrinalin rush you get from speeding
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Thats the problem, peoples driving skills are not high, even if they "think" they are. Most people are average drivers, never kid yourself you're a "highly skilled driver" If racing car drivers also die on the roads don't you think that says something?
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