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Tue, 04 February 2003 01:09
 
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Pix would be good!
Has he taken it down the quarter?
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 02:40
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If only I could remember where I read it....
....It was a while ago now, I saw some funny stories on a guy that had a turbo tarago and was tearing up the 'hoons'. 
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 05:42
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Switching the blower on??
I thought that all superchargers ran as part of the motor and didn't have the ability to be switched on and off at will.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 05:58
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Toyota supercharges work like your airconditioner.. It uses a magnetic clutch to enable or diable the supercharger..
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 08:37
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Mad max style!!! 
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Shepparton
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October 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 11:51
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some dude down in slobart (hobart) has a turbo hi ace that is a real sleeper. yellow and dented. was at the lights one day and two boy racers came up either side of him 1 inb an xr8 and the other in a clubbie. well they take off flat maggot and he lets em get away a bit and then goes past em drift style changin into 3rd cog and lots of smoke
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Toowoomba, QLD
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 11:55
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he did get around to running it down the 1/4 before the AFM shit itself. but it does blow off worked 202 toranas quite easily on 2PSI. it did produce flames that touched the ground that looked quite the piece. he has this big arse missle switch in the middle of his dash with this light next to it to turn the blower on. its pretty wicked! 
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Sydney
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 12:21
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--- WoW --- 
is it the overseas AWD version??
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Sydney
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 12:27
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Man you need to get pictures up here on the net this thing sounds like a beast 
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Hornsby, N.S.W
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September 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 04 February 2003 20:07
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I LOVE THE TARAGO VANS, i always wanted to buy one and then slam it over a set of 20's with massive big chrome side rails.
JUZZO
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Wed, 05 February 2003 09:54
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And thats just what they do in Japan 
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Eastwood, Sydney, NSW, Au...
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July 2002
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Thu, 06 February 2003 04:36
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sounds like the ultimate sleeper
must be really good fun!!!
the max n.o of people you can scare in a car is only 4.... in a Tarago you could load it up and scare more people shitless
kudos to doing up a Tarago.... i remember the engine bay being quite tight
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Brisbane
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 06 February 2003 06:01
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Interesting fact about Taragos: they are a mid-engined RWD car. If only you could lower the centre of gravity and increase the body stiffness, you could probably make them handle quite well!
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Launceston, Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 06 February 2003 08:16
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There is another bloke down here in tassie that has some sort of nissan van with a 308 in it. i have never seen him boot it but is sure sounds weird for a van
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 06 February 2003 12:33
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My mum used to own a Tarago (bubble shape, 1994 model) and it went quite hard. 2.4L 4-cyl rear drive (at least the old ones were, current shape are FWD now).
Managed to get the whole thing sideways a number of times in the wet... I would have loved to have seen it from the outside though! Tarago on opposite lock around corners 
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May 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 06 February 2003 13:00
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Something like this perhaps?
That's Paul Pyyvaara drifting his dad's diesel Urvan at a Performance Forums skidpan event. That man will get anything sideways!
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I supported Toymods
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Thu, 06 February 2003 23:03
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BAAAhaha Norbie, that's fully sick! 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 06 February 2003 23:54
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but wait, theres more. hope u dont mind Norbie. going to add some more of the pics on there too.
gianttomato - that vid is fair crazy!! a van getting the 2 fronts off the ground!
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Sydney
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June 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Fri, 07 February 2003 03:44
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Yeah that's what I'm talking about!
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Fri, 07 February 2003 05:51
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Anyone have info on how the supercharger works on a switch?
How does it get air through if it's off, etc?
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Toowoomba, QLD
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November 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Fri, 07 February 2003 08:45
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the supercharger lach uses on his tarago isnt fully airtight ei. air can flow though with little impedment. basicly the switch part of the blower is like the electric clutch on an air conditioner.
lach's blower replaced the A/C unit and her wired it in such a way that when he turned it on it tricked the ECU into thinking the A/C was on and it raised the idle to about 1500RPM to prevent it from hunting and almost stalling when it was returning to idle.
lach has made a set of yellow warning lights, like the ones at a silly solly's special rack, mounted on a roof rack. so when these go on, the ordinary tarago transforms into the 'party van!'
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Sat, 08 February 2003 23:35
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Found a link to a turbo Tarago.
15PSI worth of 8 seater fun! hehehe...
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Sun, 09 February 2003 05:57
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Well this is my first post. Neuby told me he had put up a post on my tarago so I thought I better have a look. I'm sorry but I havn't got any pics online but as soon as I do i'll put them up. As for the performance of the van I am pretty happy and am about to get a little more happy in about two wks when I change my pulleys and get my new ecu (haltek E6K)as soon as that is done I will have the dyno sheet . As for it going sideways it does very easily and in the wet with a little boost it sometimes scares the shit out of me. pics comin soon
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Sun, 09 February 2003 11:14
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| Neuby wrote on Fri, 07 February 2003 18:45 |
the supercharger lach uses on his tarago isnt fully airtight ei. air can flow though with little impedment. basicly the switch part of the blower is like the electric clutch on an air conditioner.
lach's blower replaced the A/C unit and her wired it in such a way that when he turned it on it tricked the ECU into thinking the A/C was on and it raised the idle to about 1500RPM to prevent it from hunting and almost stalling when it was returning to idle.
lach has made a set of yellow warning lights, like the ones at a silly solly's special rack, mounted on a roof rack. so when these go on, the ordinary tarago transforms into the 'party van!'
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That sounds like something I'd like to do. Being able to turn it on and off instead of having it on all the time really appeals to me. 99% of driving time you wouldn't need it, only when you want some fun. Would be a cool party trick to pull on passengers too.
What SC is it? Where to get one/cost? I guess it's a small unit to fit where an aircon does.
I currently have no aircon, but a space to put one, so I guess I should be able to do the same sort of thing. (5SFE engine).
I guess he's currently not running an intercooler as well?
One other question, does it turn off like an aircon does when you plant the accelerator?
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Mon, 10 February 2003 07:35
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the blower doesnt turn off when you plant the foot. i dont think taragos were designed to have the A/C on reguardless of how much acid you were feeding it. but you can fool you computer to thinking the A/C is on and override the 'pedal to the metal' switch.
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May 2002
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Mon, 10 February 2003 07:42
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It's got a manual switch, so it won't turn off when you're on full throttle. I'd like to know how the computer managed to cope with boost in the system. From one of the above posts it sounded like the air flow meter was after the supercharger. How was it set up?
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Mon, 10 February 2003 11:17
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The supercharger is on it own switch but when it was on the extra load on the engine would make it stall so i used the idle up device for the a/c, all it does is when I switch the supercharger on it activates the idle up device which is bascically just a soleniod valve which lets some more air past the throttle body.
As for the air flow meter it is mounted in front of the supercharger the problem is that beacause the S/C is in front of the throttle body it builds up alot of pressure on the butifly when it is closed. so I fitted a bypass valve which opens at vacum and lets air flow back past the super charger. when I back off at high reves it pushes alot of air back and this slams the afm shut thats why it has carked it. As for the computer it handled the extra boost fine but it was only 2 pound cause I need to spin the S/C faster. I am getting a new ecu now so i can bum off the afm and up the boost.
The S/C is off a 1G-GZE (sc14) and you should be able to get one for about $350. I have fitted an intercooler off a skyline it's not real big but it made a big difference plus its funny to see peoples faces when they see it through the grill. ( some laugh and thinks it just fake til I switch it on and leave em in smoke.) It does take up a fair bit of room once all the piping is on but it fits pretty nice. I can't wait til i have the new ecu and boost turned up.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Mon, 10 February 2003 12:36
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| Tarago wrote on Mon, 10 February 2003 21:17 |
The supercharger is on it own switch but when it was on the extra load on the engine would make it stall so i used the idle up device for the a/c, all it does is when I switch the supercharger on it activates the idle up device which is bascically just a soleniod valve which lets some more air past the throttle body.
As for the air flow meter it is mounted in front of the supercharger the problem is that beacause the S/C is in front of the throttle body it builds up alot of pressure on the butifly when it is closed. so I fitted a bypass valve which opens at vacum and lets air flow back past the super charger. when I back off at high reves it pushes alot of air back and this slams the afm shut thats why it has carked it. As for the computer it handled the extra boost fine but it was only 2 pound cause I need to spin the S/C faster. I am getting a new ecu now so i can bum off the afm and up the boost.
The S/C is off a 1G-GZE (sc14) and you should be able to get one for about $350. I have fitted an intercooler off a skyline it's not real big but it made a big difference plus its funny to see peoples faces when they see it through the grill. ( some laugh and thinks it just fake til I switch it on and leave em in smoke.) It does take up a fair bit of room once all the piping is on but it fits pretty nice. I can't wait til i have the new ecu and boost turned up.
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Cool, so I'd probably want to source an idle up device, as you called it, from an aircon system, (Is that right? Do all aircon systems use them)?, and with the air pressure problem, which you just, by the looks of it, did a plumb back, install a BOV.
Your AFM was after the filter, but before the SC? And you controlled boost on the SC itself, or do you have a boost contoller? (Sorry if I sound real noob at this, I havn't had SC experiences before, and this sounds really worthwile to get to know). Plus this sounds MUCH cheaper to do than getting a $5000AUD turbo kit, thus, within my means.
As for space, that's where I have no worries. I have a TON of room under the bonnet of my car.
EDIT: with the idle thing from the aircon, I should be able to get from a wreck, or buy it from an auto electriction/aircon installer? Same as the aircon switch I could use for it to activate it too I guess. I understand I already have the wiring in for an aircon system, so I guess those wires should be in the area where the aircon bolts on.
Oh yea, you just used a belt that fitted onto the SC that then hooked onto where it would in the system to power the AC unit from? I'm guessing you did, sorry if these Q's sound so obvious.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Mon, 10 February 2003 13:34
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hey guys... sounds like a nice van. whilst on the subject of quick vans. there is a white hiace(stock except rims)looks like your typical pie van, going round newcastle. and well one day we were just sittin on the side of the road(on the main cruise strip) and we this barp barp barp of a rotor comin down the road and we look around and then we discover that this nosi is comin from a white toyota hiace-->wat da? and as it went passed we saw the plates PIE13B.. and i can say that wen he gav it a squirt it wasnt hangin back.. very nice sleeper..
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 11 February 2003 09:17
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You may be able to get by with out the idle up device if you set up switch on the accelerator that turns the S/C on when you put your foot down so it is off whenever you are at idle. The belt that I used was a 5 peak v belt. As for boost the only way to control it is to change the pulley size on it or your crank the faster you spin it the more boost you get etc. So changin your boost is a pain in the butt. Don't worry about asking to many questions it doesn't mind me at all.
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Toowoomba Qld
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Tue, 11 February 2003 10:33
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| Tarago wrote on Tue, 11 February 2003 19:17 |
You may be able to get by with out the idle up device if you set up switch on the accelerator that turns the S/C on when you put your foot down so it is off whenever you are at idle. The belt that I used was a 5 peak v belt. As for boost the only way to control it is to change the pulley size on it or your crank the faster you spin it the more boost you get etc. So changin your boost is a pain in the butt. Don't worry about asking to many questions it doesn't mind me at all.
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Cool, I'm understanding more of the actual physical setup more now.
I'd like to do it like you did with a switch on the dash, and only turn it on when I want to and have it off for most of the time driving. I wouldn't need a SC in bumper to bumper traffic. I'd most likely also want to go for a BOV so I don't have the problems you did with the AFM getting hit hard all the time from the returning air.
I'm currently at the "thinking stage". Just thinking on how it's all going to fit together.
I figure the most expensive part is the SC itself. I actually did a search and read on the sc14 last night too, and saw some pics of it and dimensions. It should fit with some sort of custom adapter plate. I also saw an sc12 which is what they run on 1.6l (4agze?), and its a smaller unit.
Also, since you have one, the sc14 has it's own contained oil source doesn't it? It doesn't need to use engine oil like a turbo? And do they need regular oil changes?
ATM, the shopping list would be:
SC14 (You're right, I saw some for $350).
BOV (I'm going to try to find as quiet one as possible).
Idle up device from aircon
Aircon switch for dash
Possible small intercooler. Most likely though.
Plumbing that should be able to be done by an exhaust shop.
Is that almost all I need for a low boost setup (up to half a bar/7PSI)?
Is there a certain distance I have to have the SC from the engine pully wheel? IE: Does the belt have to be a certain length to be able to measure what boost it's getting properly?
I'm also thinking that I could get it setup in a way that I could easily remove it all and put the original pipe back on from the air filter to the throttle body. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to return it to original state without too much fuss.
Oh yea, before all this would actually start, would this need to be engineered to keep my insurance?
Thanks.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 13 February 2003 09:48
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You will need to get a blue plate. As for oil I am not sure if you have to change it very often. There is no set belt size as long as you have enough tension on it so that it won't slip. As for boost the only thing that will change it is the pulley size. I would just get it all fitted first then see what boost it produced and if it was not enough then look at changing the pulleys cause it is a costly pain.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Thu, 13 February 2003 10:52
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| Tarago wrote on Thu, 13 February 2003 19:48 |
You will need to get a blue plate. As for oil I am not sure if you have to change it very often. There is no set belt size as long as you have enough tension on it so that it won't slip. As for boost the only thing that will change it is the pulley size. I would just get it all fitted first then see what boost it produced and if it was not enough then look at changing the pulleys cause it is a costly pain.
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Cool. How do I tell how much boost it is getting? And which bit is the costly pain? Having to buy different pulley sizes?
Plus with the BOV idea and pressure, wouldn't the pressure drop off when you let off the accelerator?
Or is it because you let the accelerator off very fast and it takes time to spin down to stop producing so much air pressure?
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Toowoomba Qld
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Sat, 15 February 2003 03:37
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As soon as you have vacum in your intake manifold the bov will open. The problem with pulleys is when you make your crank pulley bigger it spins everything else faster so you need to get bigger pulleys for your alternator n p/steering too so that they are not spinning any faster.
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Re: Modded Tarago
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Sat, 15 February 2003 11:25
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| Tarago wrote on Sat, 15 February 2003 13:37 |
As soon as you have vacum in your intake manifold the bov will open. The problem with pulleys is when you make your crank pulley bigger it spins everything else faster so you need to get bigger pulleys for your alternator n p/steering too so that they are not spinning any faster.
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Ok, cool. I've probably got enough info for the time being.
I'm going to wait a few months until my insurance is finally bumped up to a rating 1, (I've never claimed, they started me on a rating 4 because my name wasn't on the insurance for my previous car, yea, blah), and check out insurance costs, etc.
Thanks for all the info so far too.
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