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Early/Bigport 2T?? Tue, 18 February 2003 02:27 Go to next message
I've got a 2T in the shed, block number 2T 162xxxx, just wondering is this the early 2T which has the lumpier cam and bigger intake ports? if not then what 2T block numbers should i be looking for?
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
id like the same info - Rod try - can you help ?
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dudes, don't you mean 2TG?
i didn't think there were bigport 2T's out there - just big port/valved 2TG heads...

good old jonnys' website : http://www.tassie.net.au/~jar/2tg-info.html
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no - there is such a thing as a big port 2t head greg .. They supposedly came ut in the 71 and 72 celicas like mine in 2t and 2tb form ..

they had larver ports - as stated - plus a slightly more aggfressive cam design ..

Im not 100 % on the info as its a bit sketchy though i do ahve a suspicion that i have one of these heads in the shed - thast came out of my ta22 when i swapped it for the current 2tb

if i had the figures or numbers of what they were i could check
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yep i've heard this aswell (possibly from rod try?), the early 2Ts were the powerful beasts(for a 2T that is Razz).

there is absolutely NO information around on the different specs of 2Ts or 3Ts, only 2TGs. The reason why i'm asking is because 2Ts are so cheap, and i want to play around with one without breaking my budget (and if it dies no-one cares).

I've taken the engraver tool to my head and done some of my own porting on it, looks much better Very Happy .
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sounds like we need a 2T shrine.... Smile
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 19 February 2003 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just looking for welsh plug sizes and i found this in my esteemed celica book :

2T
intake opens 16 deg
intake closes 54 deg
exhaust opens 58 deg
exhaust closes 12 deg

2TB is same

2TC is same EXCEPT for California spec :
intake opens 16 deg
intake closes 54 deg
exhaust opens 56 deg
exhaust closes 20 deg

unfortunately it doesn't specify block numbers/ranges...

that said the book reckons the 2TB was the most powerful : 113hp vs the 2T 102hp and the 2TC with 102hp also...
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icon5.gif  Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 04:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sorry Guys I actually can't give a definative answer on this one Sad

There are deffinatly 2 varietys of 2T head and even 2 designs of 2T valve cover. They have the Oil breather on the side on one and on the top on the other. I do not know when this change happened or if it coincides with the Change in Port size.

I can help with the 2T v's 2T-B side of things. Both had the same size Valves and Cam but the compression ratio's were different, See the details below !

2T, 2T-B
Firing Order: 1-3-4-2
Ignition Timing:
2T 10 Degrees BTDC / 800rpm
2T-B 12 Degrees BTDC / 800rpm
Compression ratio:
2T 8.5:1
2T-B 9.4:1
Bore and Stroke: 85.0 x 70.0
Valve Size:
Intake - 41mm
Exhaust - 36mm
Cam Shaft:
Lobe Height In 38.36 ~ 38.46
Lobe Height Ex 38.25 ~ 38.35
Cam Lift:
In 6.39
Ex 6.42
Compression at 250 rpm:
2T Specified 163 or 170 Psi (Depending on publication)
2T Limit 128 Psi
2T-B Specified 170 or 182 Psi (Depending on publication)
2T-B Limit 142 Psi
Difference Between each Cylinder: Less than 14 Psi

Oh, Obviously the 2T-B also benefitted from Twin Carbs !

I'd be very interested to know when the port change occured and even see some head flow figures if anyone has looked into it. Its on my to do list but along way down !

Hope that helps.

[Updated on: Thu, 20 February 2003 04:45]

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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
heh - the 2t and 3t are capaple of equalling any 2tg out there with the right work - they just dont rev as high or have a as high top speed ..

people doubt it as a performance basis cause the carby and exhaust setup make them underperform ..

make them breath , and feed them more liquid dinosaur and there is plenty more horsies under the crap tag to find ..

i know of at least 4 that have pipped the 180hp at the flywheel mark, one of them being my current motor
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 05:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ill happily donate one for free to worship !

Btw greg - if my celica sells - do you want a spare bonnet + diff for yours ?

i dont think the kid will be able to take them if he buys my old girl

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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
2tb runs a higher compression - around 9:3 or 9:8 to 1 compared to 8:5 to 1 in the 2t - hence extra power

thats why mine drives like a beast compared to the old 2t i have - cause i gots me a 2tB!

ps anyone want one - theres one at the salisbury wreckers in Brisbane i think ! runs well too - i wonder if its still there
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stu, see how things pan out...

180hp at the fly you reckon? NA or forced?
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Thu, 20 February 2003 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yup - actually 185 - but close enough

NA it was

the things just got a massive cam - and headwork , and all the internals have been strengtghened and/or lightened ..

revs like the powers of piss and even on the stocky cam its running for vicroads purposes atm - it will still lift the front end
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icon5.gif  Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Tue, 24 June 2003 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Inferno,

How did you go chasing this up mate ? Any progress ??
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Re: Early/Bigport 2T?? Wed, 25 June 2003 12:52 Go to previous message
nah no luck mate. theres a man i know of that has raced/built 2T's for over 20years ("aussieboyandy"s father), i'll ask him what he knows about the original specs of 2Ts next time i speak to him.
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