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Re: September 11 Conspiracies... :P	Sun, 04 January 2004 13:54

Draven: my comments were quite obviously (I thought) aimed at the people that claimed to know what they were talking about. When it was also quite obviously speculation being put across as the 'way it is'. Like these examples: "This is the NEW WORLD ORDER, Bush is there controlling every person in this world, and he's laughing while you guys are there hating muslims and fearing terrorism" "Nam is the reason they did this. Think about it, since Nam, America has been avoid conflicts like the plague. You do that too long, and people start to think your piss weak. America needed to invade some countries as a show of force. Afghanistan and Iraq just happened to be convenient targets without many powerful friends." "and there are no weapons of mass destruction" "but really the govt needed an exuse to go to war on the middle east and that provided it" just some small excerts of the thread. Comments made by people who have no real knowledge to make the comments. I belive I said this also, which kinda refutes the claim that I "went off at everyone": "Of course some people on here have spoken only the truth such as: Caledwvech, and that is to be respected" But as said, and as was made clear in the original post, it was aimed at the people who made comments based on their own opinions. In a quick cross reference I don't believe Bill Sherwood made any comments toward the reasons behind the attacks, on america and on foreign soil by the americans..so how is it that my first post had anything to do with him? or the others who spoke about mechanics of the building collapses. How did I claim that bill (example only) was attempting to make himself sound mature? (Hell I'd be halfway through my flight training with RAAF if I wasn't too tall and failed the entrance solely based on that, so I have respect for bill being a pilot and read his posts with the notion that I may learn something from him. But yes everyone has a right to their opinion, anyone who knows me knows I voice that right all the time...But As My Opinion. Not trying to pass my opinion off as the truth. When done so in the realm of an argument it is pathetic, shows weakness in research, destroys credibility and the very action I was lashing out at. "I just think its great how people all over the world, and on this thread seem to know what it is that People are thinking..? " The opening statement outlining my argument. Again this in no way relates to the posts made by people reguarding facts and the mechanics as previously mentioned. "I would suggest it's less mature to stick your head in the sand and not voice an opinion at all" If this line was used in rebuttal to the comments I made, well you may have not understood my message. (if not then no offence) I don't believe it to be an act of immaturaty, its not related to called someone immature because they don't want to voice their opinion, some people just don't care to. I quite clearly encouraged the voicing of opinions too. As for this: "so.... because we speak our minds, voice our opinions, and try to use our knowledge to back up our arguments, we are..." I don't remember making that statement. Nowhere in my post did I say that speaking your mind, voicing your opinions and trying to use knowledge to back up your arguments made you .. "opinionated nob... bullshit to make your voice sound knowlegable and mature"? Maybe you assumed thats what I said...but once again I am asking did you read it? All of it? If yes, then maybe you didn't understand it, but remember this..Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups. I don't remember where I heard it, but even if I did steal it from a movie its TRUE. So simply put, don't assume things, like you assumed thats what I meant. If you didn't understand what I had said; then ask. [Report message to a moderator]

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