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Re: September 11 Conspiracies... :P

Mon, 05 January 2004 13:30

alwaysRA23 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 12:08

i dont agree with the bit where america had to go and kick some ass because they hadnt done anything since they got beaten at Vietnam? if i read wrong please let us know.

what a bout the golf war?
or all the peacekeeping tours in places like somalia?

surely you cant be serious,

oh if i hear someone say OH IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE OIL, im gunna tear my hear out Razz

Somalia wasn't a victory. The US pulled out at the first sign of danger.

:: Somalia 1993 ::
When the UN voted to intervene in Somalia, the US voted for the operation. However, after the shit storm that was Somalia, Clinton said "The UN should learn to say NO" In reference to getting involved in the first place. Boutros Boutros Ghali who was the head of the UN at the time, said the UN doesn't "say" anything, the member states vote and the UN only takes their direction.

3 October 1993, on a mission to capture two of General Aideed's Lieutenants, US Forces where ambushed by Somalian militia and their air support is downed. The next day, 4 October, UN forces in the form of US and Pakistani armour rolls in and pulls the surviving US Rangers and Delta Force from the shit storm. After losing 18 US soldiers, and killing over 1,000 Somalians the US Rangers and Delta Force retreated to safe ground. After that, the US lost its taste for war, and withdrew from Somalia.

15 October 1993, US Soldiers start being withdrawn from Somalia and within a month have completely withdrawn. Once the US had withdrawn the UN no longer had enough support to stay in Somalia, and by March of 1995 the United Nations had completed its withdrawal from Somalia.

Rwandan Hutus were so impressed with how easily the US crumbled that they decided to murder 10 Belgian UN Peacekeepers who were protecting the prime minister of Rwanda, Uwilingiyimana (also murdered) - this was deliberately done to effect the same result as in Somalia - and it worked, the Belgians withdrew.

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18 July 1995, at a breakfast meeting Clinton states "The United States can't be a punching bag in the world anymore."
Dick Morris, Clinton's poll taker said "Bosnia had become a metaphor for Clinton's weakness."
French President Chirac said when asked whether America's reluctance to send troops into Bosnia was undermining the US leadership "There is no leader of the Atlantic alliance."
Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies at Kings College, University of London told the Washington Post "I don't remember a time where there was so much scorn for American policy. You don't find anyone here who thinks the US is acting properly. We're told that what we're doing isn't good enough, but there's no attempt to help us."

That sounds to me like there wasn't much faith in the US forces as a dominant power. They never followed through. In Iraq the first time they never found Saddam... so they kinda just... gave up. Somalia is described above. There are many other battles like this, but I can't be bothered researching it all for you, go have a look for yourself.

[Updated on: Mon, 05 January 2004 13:31]

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