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b1gb3n
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some ppl just dont know their stuff Sun, 19 June 2005 20:50 Go to previous message
here is a msn conversation i had with my fren. pardon the english, its malaysian english. i will have a little dictionary for all as we go along



WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
really?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i would have tot that with all the mods that u did u'd expect more increase
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
esp from xaust n cams
insomniac says:
thats about 12% increase
insomniac says:
increase with cams alone
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i tot u did xaust aso? ***aso=also***
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
n pod filter?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
well yeah i guess 10% is ok
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
10hp sounded a little small but 10% more like it
insomniac says:
as in i got the initial dyno reading after doin exhaust pod filter etc
insomniac says:
i compare the 2 readings
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
send ur dyno chart n see
insomniac says:
well actually the 10hp increase is the cam gears alone
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
u gain most where?
insomniac says:
coz initial run also had the cams in already
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
how much did the dyno cost u?
insomniac says:
dyno n tune $330
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh u tune asooooo
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
then u should have got more than 10% quarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr **quarr=i guess?**
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:

insomniac says:
my car not turbo lar **lar=dude/mate**
insomniac says:
but i got increase tru out the whole rev range
insomniac says:
10HP
insomniac says:
its a 1.6 NA dont forget
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
yeah but a tune in itself should give u somewhere around 12% increase
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
+ cams n xaust in tuning expect a little more?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
oh well
insomniac says:
depends what u tune la
insomniac says:
if u get fully prog ecu ofcoz
insomniac says:
mine is just cam gears and safc
insomniac says:
i did the initial run after doin cam shafts n exhaust etcc
insomniac says:
he only tuned cam gears and safc
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
not for xaust?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
y not?
insomniac says:
exhaust how to tune??
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
did u tell him how u wanted it tuned or he just did it for u?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
tune ur settings for increased air flow mahhh **mah=dude/mate**
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
otherwise the settings all still running according to standard flow rates
insomniac says:
dude its modify for increase air flow
insomniac says:
note what TUNE means
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
hopefully u car won't run rich
insomniac says:
air flow depends on ur engine design dude
insomniac says:
increase air flow needs to change stuff
insomniac says:
this is purely tuning!!
insomniac says:
besides air flow is already good on my engine
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
yeah but u increased it whatt *this means "didnt u increase it?"*
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
guess should be ok
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
how bout torque figures for ur car?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
improved a lot?
insomniac says:
how did they TUNE in increase air flow??
insomniac says:
im curious
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
beacuse engine combustion runs a certain amount
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
restricted according to how much airflow incoming and outgoing
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
if u have more air going means u can run more fuel in as well
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
so if u tune for the increase air flow u can improve performance by burning more fuel quarr
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
and even on outgoing if u can't output as much burnt products, ur engine won't overdo it quarrr
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
if got higher capacity for output u can increase if u want quarr
insomniac says:
so how did he TUNE it for that??
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
program ur ecu to change engine settings!!!
insomniac says:
how can ecu change air flow??
insomniac says:
HOW???
insomniac says:
go find out
insomniac says:
try getting a thermodynamics text book
insomniac says:
u will see that air flow is based on port and angle design

**this thermo and stoich part is just me trying to sound smart and say something he doesnt understand***

WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
change ecu fuel mappppppppppppp
insomniac says:
so how can ecu change the design??
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
so u can run more fuel into engine
insomniac says:
a car runs on optimum at stoichometric air fuel ratio
insomniac says:
so changing ecu mapping is changing the amount of fuel goin in based one how much air
insomniac says:
the air volume remains constant
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
if u improve the air flow means u got more air going in rite??
insomniac says:
dont see how u can change air volume unless u change throttle body, piping, exhaust manifold, bigger valves etc...dont see how it can be done by tuning
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
if u have more air going in and the same amount of fuel u have going in as when u didn't improve air flow, that means the ratio changes
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
right?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
more amount of air is going in during the same period of time now compared to when u didn't improve flow rite?
insomniac says:
so how do u get more air goin in frm tuning??
insomniac says:
ur not making any sense dude
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i'm not saying change air flow by tuning
insomniac says:
yes u were
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i'm saying change the fuel map by tuning to accomodate the increased aif flow
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
read what i typed again
insomniac says:
which part?
insomniac says:
u said increase flow frm the start
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i said u have increased flow rite?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
u told me u added pod filter to ur car and changed xaust rite?
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
brb tapau food **tapau=takeaway*
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WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
u geddit now?
insomniac says:
u didnt get it
insomniac says:
u said tune for airflow first
insomniac says:
then u change ur story say fuel mapping
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
yeah i said tune for increased airflow by changing fuel map!!!!!
insomniac says:
changing fuel map doesnt increase air flow
insomniac says:
actually it might
insomniac says:
tuning a car is all about increasing air flow!!
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
i said u modded ur car to increase air flow rite???
insomniac says:
its like saying the sky is blue
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
so i said BECAUSE u modded it, u should TUNE for it by CHANGING fuel map
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
haih...................*haih....=sigh...**
insomniac says:
actually its like the car already has increased air flow, ur tuning the fuel now
insomniac says:
so theoratically tuning refers to the fuel!!
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
finally u geddit...............................
***WTF!!**
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
now i can go eat my supper in peace.............
WWXWW - The art of hand and leg - How I missed it says:
ttyl stomach calling





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