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Location: Castle Hill, Sydney
Registered: February 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 19 September 2005 08:04

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good to see someone finally didnt get talked out of their crazy idea and have gone through with it, will be loads of fun!
i was suprised to see u fabricated a exhaust manifold, couldnt you just wack on a 3tgte one?
Quote: | Doesn't hurricane's engine have a cross flow head? Does that mean the fuel/air mixture flows into inlet manifold on other side of engine from turbo? MAN MY BRAIN IS FRYING HERE! lol
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yes its crossflow, yes the mixture flows into the intake side.
in that picture the carbi is mounted on the intake to the turbo, this is a 'suck through' setup, your mixture then pumps through the turbo, out the other side of it and straight into your intake manifold.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: August 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 19 September 2005 09:17

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Regarding the turbo seals......................I've heard that weber carbs are extremely well sealed as they are, therefore if you run a blow through set up with a weber you can eliminate the turb seal problems/???? mmaybe someone can answer this.
Draw through set ups don't usually end up being as reliable as blow through? This was my knowledge?
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Location: melbourne
Registered: February 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 19 September 2005 11:06

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welll what carb did the 18rg motors use to run with the hks turbo kits for them?
isnt that a weber carby? sealed in a box with a water to air cooler?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 19 September 2005 11:36

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ajmor6: yes, mine is not cross-flow - however i was just showing the 'relative simplicity' of a mounting a carbi upstream of the turbo.
muaythaiman: webber might be air-tight for vacuum at the throttle but not if you shove boost down the venturi. As for reliability i wouldn't know - but unless you can tune your carbi and timing it's a PITA. I wanted tunability and better response so i've gone EFI.
if you dont box the carbis and provide boost-relative fuel pressure, at the first sign of boost you'll blow all the petrol out of the flaot valve and confuse the hell out of the fuel pump.
others: suck thru is simpler setup, so there's no need to:
-box the carbi(s)
-make air-tight linkage thru the box for the throttle
-use boost-relative fuel pressure regulator
HKS did make a kit (last century) wih W2A cooling. One of the Toyota Car Club folks in brisbane has an RA28 with that in it - looks very neat and tidy.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: August 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 20 September 2005 09:33

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Man, I've never heard of this "boxed carb" thing before....although it makes perfect sense.
http://www.racetep.com/0245single.htmlhttp://
http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php? topic_id=14084&forum=1
22r blow through::::

But then a quote I just found::::::"etxxz is right! it can be done as i've seen one on a 3TC powered starlet up in New Jersey a few years back. depending on what carbs you're using. the one i saw was equipped with a Holley carb. on a dual side draft set-up i heard the SKs are the way to go. weber internals won't take the boost, that's what i was told. "
And then this pic:::::::

I've seen these twin carb things for 2tg's on yahoo auctions alot so obviously they can work.................
Then what about all the rotors with blow through set ups?????????????????
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Location: Sydney
Registered: August 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 20 September 2005 09:35

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"Notice the hoses going into the dellortos ontop of the float chamber, yes. Thats the part that equilizes pressure (it gets boost from the turbo) inside the float bowls that will work like its supposed to.
Webers and dellortos can be pressurised without using a pressure box around the carb."
This is the quote that was with the above twin carb pic.............
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/topic/56 513-1.html
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On Probation
Location: launceston tas
Registered: March 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 20 September 2005 12:35

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ajmor6 this is kind of what he is doing except the turbo is in a different position. oh and i cant wait till this is finnished it should be awsome
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: June 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 20 September 2005 13:22

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thats NUTS!! awesome
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 21 September 2005 09:12

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yeah it will look some thing like that
what size SU should i run infront of the turbo?
i will be running the oil lines as soon as i get this question
answered- should i run a oil cooler and what should i make the lines out off?
thanks for all the pics and info. keep it coming.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:18

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Whos car is that? OMG that is awesome! Do have any other pics like that? It looks like a pretty busy setup? Do you know much about it?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 04:47

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ke30king: How much power did that person (or you) get out of it the rola?
hurricane: how much power do you think you'll get out of your celica?
EVERYONE ELSE - how much power do you think hurricane is going to get out of it (removing any loss of power due to exhaust manifold)? I think the standard 3TC has about 110hp standard - what do you think it will be when he's done?
I'm salivating here - this is great!
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 08:45

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i really have no idea what power it will make. all i know that if it feels like it makes a lot more power when it is finished then im going to put it on the DYNO
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On Probation
Location: launceston tas
Registered: March 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 10:17

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power output is unknown to me because its not mine(but i wish it was)
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 11:22

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hurricane wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 19:12 | what size SU should i run infront of the turbo?
i will be running the oil lines as soon as i get this question
answered- should i run a oil cooler and what should i make the lines out off?
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1. my carbi (the 18RCT) was a stromberg CD175 - i think you find them on some larger old volvos and english made engines (triumph, non-efi rover V8 i think)
2. mine had a small cooler between the pressure take-off point and the turbo (and old T04) - but if your turbo has an inline restrictor (usually at the banjo connector at the turbo), i'd suggest a direct line from pressure point to the turbo and a sandwich-plate adaptor under the oil filter that goes to a full flow (e.g. NOT a trans cooler) oil cooler.
oil lines can be aeroquip, hardline or braided line - ask your local pirtek/ hydraulic hose specialist.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: October 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 22 September 2005 14:04

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You don't need to get a fuel pressure reg etc, just tap a BSP barb fitting in the top of the fuel pump diaphram and run a boost reference line. 350 holleys are cheap as anything $50, and I have heard of Jmacs (i think he's one this forum) corolla used one with a budget of nothing did a low 13 with a blow thru 350 holly. Use an old 4bbl LPG snorkel as a carb bonnet. Also PVC is great for intake piping, and with a coat of chrome paint can look spectacular haha
good luck!
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 23 September 2005 00:26

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so do you guys suggest using a oil cooler or not?
i have also seen the CD175 carbs on holden straight sixs, but i think there hard to get?
with the plumbing of the pipe out of the turbo and into the inlet do you think that i should run it in the most diyrect root (the shortest path) or could i run it infront of the car radiator and weld fins onto it to mabe cool it down a bit?
does any one there have or maybe know of ant one that would have a SU or CD175 carby to soot my project that they could donate or i could buy
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Location: melbourne
Registered: February 2005
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Registered: October 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 23 September 2005 03:49

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Man, someone should make a forum about backyard jobs.
I LOVE this shit
Actually, seriously, who wants to start a site??
I want to turbo a whipper snipper haha
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Location: melbourne
Registered: February 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 24 September 2005 00:22

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whipper snippers are to small for turbo but take okay to smog pumps off cars!
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Sat, 24 September 2005 00:32

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there are some more crazy turbo set-ups i found.
there is a scoter with a turbo and on nos.
a A15 TTTT witch never go past this stage.

and a Twin Turbo A15 with a supercharger on it that is running in a Datsun 1200.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 24 September 2005 02:07

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hurricane wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 10:26 | so do you guys suggest using a oil cooler or not?
with the plumbing of the pipe out of the turbo and into the inlet do you think that i should run it in the most diyrect root (the shortest path) or could i run it infront of the car radiator and weld fins onto it to mabe cool it down a bit?
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seeing as you'll be doing low road speeds (bush bashing) - i'd suggest that an oil cooler will prolong the life of the car and turbo. On the road, the radiator & sump would suffice at keeping the oil cool enough.
if you do the suck-thru setup avoid an A2A intercooler - welding fins on heavy duty pipe wont help keep the air cool (surface area inside the pipe wont conduct enough heat to the fins
just insulate the pipe or ... seeing as you're doing things ghetto style
bodgy up W2A cooler:
-make large box with air in and out holes - to sit above engine between turbo outlet & inlet manifold
-install car heater inside with piping exising side
-plumb water pipes to a small radiator/pump at front of car
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sat, 24 September 2005 13:06

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ok thanks for the info chuckster. thow the TA is more of a unreged car than a paddock basher, i have not even hade it in the paddock for months. it is mostly driven on the back road these day but dont tell the cops cos they have already got me once anyways im not going to run a intercooler just a oil cooler to help the engine, not that the turbo will help with that.
buy the way does any one know what sort of power i can get out of the setup
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Location: Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Sun, 25 September 2005 09:17

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sounds like i will have to make a new head gasket for the TA and run some real boost
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Location: melbourne
Registered: February 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 26 September 2005 00:37

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double gasket! lower compression el dodgo way of compression drop. did it to a briggss lawn mower when i stuck a smog pump on it worked a treat till the smog spun free and blow the motor ahh they were the days
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 26 September 2005 05:31

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Is it possible to run the turbo just on standard compression?
What happens if the compression is too high...are we talking about blowing piston rings or sending rods out the side of the block?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Mon, 26 September 2005 05:34

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I have a pic of the turbo i am going to use but i dont know what type of turbo it is as it has no difinative markings. How do i add a picture to my reply so i can show it to you GURUS??
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Mon, 26 September 2005 10:11

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go to imageshack.us and make a acount. upload the image. right click on the image when it uploads. go to properties and copy the url address. then go to toymods make your reply. click on the picture icon in the Formating Tools(number nine from the left) and paste the address in the box and sent the post.
i think ive covered it. you could use a nother wet site like imageshack but i dont know how to use then. i gest it would be simalar.
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Tue, 27 September 2005 08:43

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any one got a carb that i need
can not go to far with out one.
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Tue, 27 September 2005 10:38

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minuteman wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 13:49 | Man, someone should make a forum about backyard jobs.
I LOVE this shit
Actually, seriously, who wants to start a site??
I want to turbo a whipper snipper haha
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like.. the junkyard turbo site?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Wed, 28 September 2005 01:08

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Thanks hurricane. What type do you think it is?
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Wed, 28 September 2005 05:44

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i really have no idea have you got any other pics?
were did you get it from? my geuss is of some sort of jap car
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Thu, 29 September 2005 23:12

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Sweet. I've got to weld an oil return line into the sump and i'm planning to remove the oil pressure sender and put a T bar in and run the pressurised oil line to the turbo from there. Are you making your own inlet manifold or making an adapter plate to run the air/fuel mixture into the engine?
The other thing i wanted to ask was where do you run your oil lines to and from the engine for the oil cooler? It would make sense to run the oil cooler between the engine oil-out and the turbo oil-in yeah? I take it the oil-in to the oil cooler needs to be pressurised...?
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 30 September 2005 01:39

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Yeah im running the oil line out of a tee peace from the pressure switch, theen into the oil cooler , out of the oil cooler and then into the turbo. if you read back thechuckster said some suff about the oil coolers have a read.
With the inlet manifold im just going to use the origanal one and see how it goes.
by the way what CAR/ENGINE are you turboing?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 30 September 2005 02:23

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hurricane wrote on Fri, 30 September 2005 11:39 | Yeah im running the oil line out of a tee peace from the pressure switch, theen into the oil cooler , out of the oil cooler and then into the turbo. if you read back thechuckster said some suff about the oil coolers have a read.
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i'd only do the in-line oil cooler if the turbo doesn't have an inline restricter
look inside the banjo join that feeds oil it and it might (like on T28's etc from nissans) have a much restricted oil entry to the banjo bolt. If so, then dont make oil flow to the bearing worse by sticking a cooler in the way.
it might make life simpler if you just feed oil straight to the turbo - and only if it starts to show signs of being cooked in the turbo - then consider some form of oil cooling.
the issues i have with the in-line cooler are:
-when left for some time the oil lines drain back to the sump
-when very cold, it takes a while to get oil up to the turbo
-you need to use factory oil filters to ensure they dont drain back when the engine is off (compounds first issue)
I think a proper full-flow cooler that connects at the oil filter is a more sensible idea... but seeing as this is ghetto-style ... do what ever works on the day
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Fri, 30 September 2005 07:01

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i think i know what the banjo thing is but i will take a pic and see what you think.
also people ive found some carbys that will probly work, there are two, one is a CD175 stromberg off a 4 banger Volvo and the other one is a 2 inch SU off a V12 Jag.
so my question to you guys is witch one do you think will be better. the CD175 is only $40 and the SU i dont know?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Fri, 30 September 2005 07:08

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Its an RA23 with a 3TC - took a bit to get the 3T into the RA23 including manufacturing a cross member but she hoons along very well....but, of course its not fast enough anymore and i dont want to move onto another car!
Here's my only pic in motion (its hard to take pics when your driving)...

Here's one after i clippd a tyre wall at 120km/h...haha great stuff i love it!!

Im racing again next sunday so i'll have some more pics...i've done some suspension mods including extending the lower control arms 30mm each side and lowered it(scientifically with a grinder of course!) since then so im expecting some very sideways activity!
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Location: Forster NSW
Registered: September 2004
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics
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Fri, 30 September 2005 11:32

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Is that windscreen put in with liquid nails, or is it some kind of plastic/perspex?
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics, new stuff
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Sat, 01 October 2005 13:11

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is this the restcitor that you were talkin about.


ive made a new manifold now, a real manifold the old one was to low and it was going to make it too hard to fit and mount the carby and running the dump pipe will be alot easyer now. i made it out of steam pipe with 90degree bends to make it frow a bit better, and it looks better than the square stuff


Look at the turbo, its so cool

This is some thing like were the carby will sit, just that i want be a different one.
WANT DO YOU THINK GUYS, ITS ABIT BETTER THAN THE OTHER ONE
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - pics, new stuff
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Sun, 02 October 2005 00:03

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the restrictor i've seen and got (with a turbo with free-flowing bearings) is in the round part of the banjo join (where the oil comes out of the pipe to the hollow bolt).
Your turbo is some ancient garrett with a restrictor of some kind above the bearing - mine old turbo also had one of these.
given the age of the poor thing, i'd suggest engine oil direct without any interuption.
However, you need a bigger carbi 
also - make sure you put a brace from underneath where the 4 runners combine to the engine mount or similar - all that weight hanging of those manifold bolts will make it sag after a while and you'll have endless issues with leaking gaskets...
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On Probation
Location: launceston tas
Registered: March 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Sun, 02 October 2005 10:49

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how do you plan on getting air from the turbo to the inlet manifold? like which way are you going with the piping?
cheers, lloyd
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Sun, 02 October 2005 11:51

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yes about the piping as you can see the back of the turbo has a kind of cast dunp pipe, so i couldnt just turn the turbo to run the outlet to the engine straight up so the plan is to run it down then back up beside the carby and over the top of the rover cover and keeping it as far away from the exhaust piping.
The other way was to run it down then around the front of the radiator and then back to the inlet.
im going to make up heat shelds also to help keep stuff cool.
BYE the way thats not the carby im using.
IVE GOT TWO OPTIONS FOR THE CARBYS, ONE IS A 2 INCH SU THE PRICE IS UNKNOWN AT THE MOMENT AND THE OTHER IS A CD175 STRONGBERG OFF A VOLVO FOR $40
SO THE QUESTION IS WITCH ONE SHOULD I USE, OR WILL THEY BOTH DO THE JOB ALRIGHT
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Location: Canberra
Registered: July 2005
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Sun, 02 October 2005 12:56

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probly not a big issue which carb you choose in the end. The SU is probably more refined, and the Stromberg is possibly the simplest carb in existence.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Sun, 02 October 2005 22:28

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Windscreen is perspex and its held there with pot rivets and windscreen silicon...
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Sun, 02 October 2005 22:41

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yep you guessed it - AVALON. Theres a race this Sunday (9th Oct). If your willing to race for the day it will cost ya about $15 to join club for the day ($30 per year), $30 to enter race, and i think about $30 for a day racing licence ($85 per year) if you dont already have one....otherwise November 13th is our "Come and Try" day where we can take passengers for a spin for free.
When i got the ra23 it had an 18RC in it - was an absolute piece of sh1t - had blown rings and head gasket and huge oil leaks. Instead of fixin it i put the word out - came back with a TA22 with 3TC in it running aftermarket fuel system for $150. 3T was running very sweet, previous owner had it turbo but removed about 2 months before i got it (DOH!) but it was spinning the wheels into 3rd gear from the lights. TA22 shell was rotten so i chopped and changed engine into ra23 and have raced it ever since...shaved the head, bigger carbi, extractors, exhaust out the side...usual stuff. ra23 chassis i found to handle better too (slightly bigger).
Oh by the way - im likin' the new manifold, good work!
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Mon, 03 October 2005 02:30

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There's not a lot you have to do to get it ready. Here's a brief list of the primary stuff you HAVE to do.
-helmet (not scratched or dinted)
-racing harness (must be current, they have expiry dates)
-1kg fire extinguisher
-tail shaft loop (stop tail shaft from falling if it breaks)
-second accelerator spring
-tape up any headlights (i used clear bookcover contact)
-battery terminal rubber covers
-all hoses (fuel & water) to have screw clamps instead of spring
-hoses coming from fuel tank need screw clamps too
-either driver's window or window net (or wrist restraints)
-windscreen or wrist restraints/eye protection
-4 wheels, an engine and some fuel.
Apart from the above most of it is common sense and safety. They check the above, wheel bearings, wheel nuts and other stuff to make sure your car is up for the race at scrutineering. If you've got some rust or missing windows as long as its not a structure point it will be fine. You do need all panels though (unless you built a buggy). Engine swaps are fine too. We're currently installing a 3.6L V6 into a 1978 BMW 520i!!! As long as its safe, the fun can begin!
If you want to have a look at our cars come down to the Avalon track this upcoming Sunday for a look. I've got the celica, mate's got a Mitsubishi Colt with a Lancer engine in it, couple of Suburu's etc. You can have a chat to the scrutineering guys and have a look for yourself at what safety requirements are needed, let me know if you wanna have a look and i'll give ya more details.
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Mon, 03 October 2005 03:17

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so does the front window have to be glass?
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Location: Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Mon, 03 October 2005 09:06

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how often does geelong hold multiclub autocrosses?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Mon, 03 October 2005 23:13

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No, windscreen doesn't have to be glass. I beleive the CAMS requirement for perspex windscreen is 6mm but im using 3mm and a centre brace i have welded in. Its a personal preference for me. If something came through windscreen i'd Rather have 3mm plastic crack and flap in the wind than getting speared with shards of 6mm plastic! You can also weld steel mesh in like the speedway cars...just means your car falls into the buggy class but you stil get to race. Rules state a car must have a windscreen otherwise its a buggy. Go to the CAMS website to get your hands on the full manual.
www.cams.com.au
GMSC (Geelong Motor Sport Club) have a khanacross usually first sunday of every month. This weekend is the last one for the year. The VCAS (state wide autocross) will be racing at Avalon on December 4th. If you want to have a look at some very cool cars, the 4th is a must see. There is even a guy racing a BA XR8 UTE!!! Otherwise you can ride as passengers for free on November 13th on the come and try day. There's no set amount of runs simply jump in a car and off ya go. Great fun. GMSC does have a website but its kinda out of date but worth a look. http://www.pace.com.au/gmsc/
QUESTION: I need to get me hands a 3TC standard exhaust manifold. Any ideas? Checked all the wreckers and no one has one!
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Tue, 04 October 2005 11:01

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what are you going to use it for? you could of had the one of my car but i cut it up.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Tue, 04 October 2005 22:54

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I need to cut the flange off. I have turbo manifold for 18RC, so i figured its easiest to cut the 18R flange off and weld the 3T flange on (if flange can be cut from 3T - forget what it looks like). Might need to use a little more piping to position it all properly but i figured thats the easiest way.
Do you know how much it would cost to get a flange laser cut?
I found a wrecker who has a 3TC manifold but they want $55 for it. i would prob buy it but i forget what it looks like i dont wanna drive the hour and a bit just to look at it.
ANY ONE GOT A PICTURE OF A 3TC EXHAUST MANIFOLD????
how is the project coming along hurricane - whats next?
Any more pics?
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Wed, 05 October 2005 01:04

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hurricane - what are you doin for a pressure release valve - bloww valve?
i have heard of people using a radiator cap on the inlet pipe. Any plans?
Any ideas anyone else?
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Location: Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Wed, 05 October 2005 08:09

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http://gb.detonated.org/gallery/TE15/P0003162
sorry i dont have a better pic, funny i took so many pics of my 3TC KE15 conversion but thats the only one i have of the exhaust manifold
i MIGHT have a spare one, but its still in a car im not sure if ill need it yet, 55$ is a rip off for one, you can get extractors second hand for ~90$
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Wed, 05 October 2005 22:52

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I know tell me about it! I got extractors for $40 from wreckers. There's a set of 18RGU extractors sitting there also for $40!!!!!!!
Do you know if the flange can be cut from the manifold?
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Location: Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Thu, 06 October 2005 10:24

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read the earlier posts, cast iron is a bitch to weld to 
i recon you could if u had a bandsaw type thing, might be easier to get some 10mm and a drill press and go nuts
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Location: geelong
Registered: August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Thu, 06 October 2005 13:04

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'with the blow-off valve' my turbo has a internal waste gate so want that do the job
if you want a flange to make your manifold off i could cut one up the some as my one is if you want. i cut my one out with the oxcy (blow torch thing) then used a file to make it all flat and smooth.
MORE PICS ARE ON THE WAY
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